That lovely, peaceful religion of peace...

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SIGNYM

Monday, February 27, 2012 9:05 PM

PIZMO- There was Supreme Court case protecting the rights of film makers to make and show "obscene" films. I think you would find MOST of the defendants in free speech cases to be somehow not worth defending, but you cannot defend one without the other.

PIZMOBEACH

Monday, February 27, 2012 9:05 PM

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
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never thought I'd see you on their side.

Hello,

I suppose if someone defends the rights of Westboro Baptists to hold their hateful signs, one is on the side of the Westboro Baptists.

If someone defends the rights of Nazis to gather and march, one is on the side of the Nazis.

Is that what this comes down to? You want to be on the side of the good guys, and off the side of the bad guys?

The hard thing about living by a set of principles is that sometimes good guys do the wrong thing, and you have to defend- not the bad guys themselves, but their rights. Because if the bad guys lose their rights, the good guys are next.

Very true, Justice is suppose to be blind, still think it's strange to see.

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PIZMOBEACH

Monday, February 27, 2012 9:16 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
PIZMO- There was Supreme Court case protecting the rights of film makers to make and show "obscene" films. I think you would find MOST of the defendants in free speech cases to be somehow not worth defending, but you cannot defend one without the other.

That's again such a broad description - I would not disagree with the principles. If you want to get into a broader discussion, I'm fine with that, there are all sorts of twists and turns that make any kind of 1 stop shopping almost impossible. Why can't those films be shown on any channel? Etc., there's lots of gray areas.

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SIGNYM

Monday, February 27, 2012 9:40 PM

So, to recap-

The judge, IMHO, ignored ample evidence to unfairly dismiss a case.

Worse, he then scolded the victim for practicing free speech.
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So, how does a judge himself get judged? And on which issue?

FREMDFIRMA

Monday, February 27, 2012 10:50 PM

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
The hard thing about living by a set of principles is that sometimes good guys do the wrong thing, and you have to defend- not the bad guys themselves, but their rights. Because if the bad guys lose their rights, the good guys are next.

Not to mention how grating it is when a self-admitted villain has to step up and berate folks for their conduct cause no one else will, thankfully averted in this case, but still...

And yes, Siggy, that's about right.

You lay hands on ME without consent, you'll get decked, law or no law, and you'll be damn fortunate if I don't put a boot to you for good measure.

I still find it ironic how no one wanted to reasonably discuss it elsewhere when I brought it up - and IMHO the Judge should be unceremoniously pitched from the bench in disgrace, AND the perp should face charges for a Civil Rights Violation since his intentions were specifically to suppress or discourage the suppression of, Free Speech by another.

And of course, I am, and have always been since the foundation of my own consciousness, of the opinion that the moment deliberate and unwanted physical contact occurs you have the moral, if not legal, right to beat the friggin paste out of who did it.

Period.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

PIZMOBEACH

Monday, February 27, 2012 11:12 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
So, to recap-

The judge, IMHO, ignored ample evidence to unfairly dismiss a case.

Worse, he then scolded the victim for practicing free speech.
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So, how does a judge himself get judged? And on which issue?

To recap: IMHO there wasn't enough evidence so the charge of harrassment was eventually dropped.

The judge told the victim "if you act like blank, people will think you're a doofus," and continued to try and educate the young man. If this surprises you you should spend some time in court, judges summations can be full of opinion and instruction so the citizen can avoid making the same mistake again.

It still surprises me how you're not questioning the atheist's motives at all, or how this story has suddenly come to light months later.

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1KIKI

Monday, February 27, 2012 11:13 PM

"IMHO there wasn't enough evidence ..."

Really. That's pretty silly.

SIGNYM

Monday, February 27, 2012 11:38 PM

Of course the story is here to whip fear of Islam. I find ti rather funny that it pits the two most unpopular groups against each other- Muslims and atheists. It's almost one of those staged fights.

As to the atheist's motivations, is pretty clear that he wanted to parody Islam. And the guy dressed up as the Pope wanted to parody Catholicism. So what? Did you see any catholics come off the curb to try and grab the pope's beanie?

PIZMOBEACH

Monday, February 27, 2012 11:55 PM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
"IMHO there wasn't enough evidence ..."

Really. That's pretty silly.

Your evidence is...?

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PIZMOBEACH

Tuesday, February 28, 2012 12:02 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Of course the story is here to whip fear of Islam. I find ti rather funny that it pits the two most unpopular groups against each other- Muslims and atheists. It's almost one of those staged fights.

As to the atheist's motivations, is pretty clear that he wanted to parody Islam. And the guy dressed up as the Pope wanted to parody Catholicism. So what? Did you see any catholics come off the curb to try and grab the pope's beanie?

I think it's funny too! And the Christian right is fanning the flames. I think AU is confused, he doesn't know where to jump in.

Would there have been Catholics coming off the curb? We'll probably never know, not in the timeframe we saw - I doubt it, but then there also haven't been such violent reactions to negative portrayals of the Pope as there have been to Mohammed. I think you are being incredibly generous to say he only wanted to parody Islam - he had to know this would be deeply offensive. I would give an Atheist even more % chance that he would know the buttons to push and the consequences of denigrating other religions.

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