You believe Muslims are scary, dangerous people
POSTED BY: AnthonyT
UPDATED: Wednesday, August 14, 2024 17:06
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Most people don't know what Sharia law is. As I read it, it is very similar to Orthodox Judaism in many ways. Hell, they (Jews) can go on and on about whether it is allowed to cut the beard with a blade (razor. The answer is "no") or scissors (two blades, the answer is "yes").
What people really rebel against from Islam, they will accept its equivalence from Xtianity or Judaism. Israel, for example, is a theocracy, and is just as harsh on its Muslim residents as Iran is on its non-Muslim residents. In fact, while Jews can travel from Iran to Israel, they cannot travel from Israel to Iran. And while people here hate the idea of a theocracy in far-off places, many don't seem to react as badly against Santorum and the right-wing here in the USA who push creationism in our education system instead of science and who seem to want to turn our schools into Xtian madrassas.
Here is where you're wrong.
There IS no equivalence to Sharia Law. None. At least, not in the western, civilized world.
And Santorum, he's 1 man. He can press for creationism all he wants ( to his own peril ) and it would not carry any weight. He'd be President, not King. Talk about fear of the unreasonable! All Santorum is saying is that we should have the right to be religious and still hold public office. Being Christian, Muslim or Jew shouldn't be a disqualifier any more than what our Founders fought against, that religious tests be given to ALLOW people to hold public office.
Sharia law is literally being practiced, all across the Muslim world, right now. A man is facing a death sentence for the CRIME of renouncing his belief in Islam. Your irrational fear mongering about Santorum, or any on the 'religious right' would have folks believe that we're mere months away from installing some sort of Christian version of Sharia law. The fact of the matter is, in 200+ years of this country's existence, that's NEVER been the case. How you think anyone would be capable of taking this entire nation back to the era of the Salem witch trials, from merely electing 1 man as President, is even more hype and hysteria than what you accuse others of having against Islam , as it's being practiced right now.
" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Geezer, before I give a COMPLETE answer, I have to look up Sharia law. Most people here including many who responded don't understand it well. I have heard, but have not had the time to look it up, that many of the practices that westerners find most abhorrent are actually not sourced in the Qu'ran or the sunnah (the two most authoritative sources of Allah's word) but in local practices and customs.
If you look up Sharia law, you'll probably find everything from the relatively moderate (but still unacceptable to me) stuff Magons posted to the "medieval-on-your-ass" version I mentioned. That's another fun thing about Islam; that a lot of the law and custom depends on the interpretation of a single Iman or Mullah, and the folks who follow him will take it as divinely inspired.
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I have to compare that to our right-wing evangelicals, like Santorum and the (mostly) Protestant contingent.
In comparing the more fundamental Muslims to Fundamentalist Christians, you also have to note that, although there's disagreement in the Christian ranks, they haven't been blowing up each other's churches and killing each other's leaders much since the 17th century.
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To expand on that a little... if one REALLY wants to test one's tolerance for "religion in government", one must be able to accept ALL religious expressions in ALL government support, no matter how indirect. So putting up a nativity scene (on government property) would also allow the menorah, the crescent moon, and the elephant god ganesah, as well as prayer flags and animistic representations. If a person cannot tolerate one specific religious symbol, perhaps there should not be ANY.
Not sure exactly where this comes into a discussion of Sharia law.
But...
You could also have no religious displays at all.
I personally don't care if whoever puts up creches or menorahs, or Global Standard Diety symbols(whatever you want them to be). That's the one rub I have with the Atheists who want to prohibit memorial crosses on BLM land and Ten Commandment stones on courthouse squares. No one's forcing them to worship, just letting the folks who want to do so.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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If Rick Santorum really said that about church and state then I can't vote for him because that is dangerous.
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Your irrational fear mongering about Santorum, or any on the 'religious right' would have folks believe that we're mere months away from installing some sort of Christian version of Sharia law.
Hello,
You seem to pick and choose your fear and fear mongering.
Sometimes we seem to have a socialist in the White House, pushing to make our nation a communist nation.
Sometimes we seem to have a slippery slope of Sharia Law, beginning with just one incident.
Yet when it does not suit you, the President is Just One Man incapable of imposing or influencing change.
Of course, the President is not Just One Man. You fear and oppose his policies because you feel there are many who support him, share his goals, and would love to see the United States converted into a Socialist country. You know, those people who aren’t ‘True Americans.’ (Apparently a lot of them in America.) Oh, and those fools duped into his Socialist Agenda.
So why is Santorum Just One Man? Does he not have legion followers who share his views of religion, and would like to see our Secular nation become known as a Christian nation? Do they not support legislation against sinful vice? Are they not some of the very same patriotic True Americans you often tout as being the backbone of this nation?
You can’t have it both ways. You can’t fear Obama and the Socialist agenda of the Left while telling your opponents not to fear Santorum and the Theocratic agenda of the Right.
--Anthony
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Quote:Do you count Israel as part of the western civilized world?
There IS no equivalence to Sharia Law. None. At least, not in the western, civilized world.
Quote:No, that's not what he's saying. He's saying that religion should be part of government. What neither he nor you seem to understand is our laws - while based in part on the Ten Commandments, in part on the French Enlightenment, and in part on English common law- are a secular code which can function quite nicely without relying on any specific beliefs or any particular deity.
All Santorum is saying is that we should have the right to be religious and still hold public office.
Also, what Tony said.
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Originally posted by AnthonyT:Quote:
"I don't believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute,"
Hello,
I stand with all those opposed to Sharia Law in opposing this candidate's dangerous position.
I know from the content in this thread that Mr. Raptor and Mr. Hero are incensed at the mere idea of this, and will join me in their opposition.
You'll of course understand if I elect not to hold my breath until they voice their agreement. As we've clearly seen, at least one of them has clearly different standards about what kind of speech is and isn't acceptable when it comes from a conservative or a liberal. I expect no less of a double standard on this issue.
"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
And Santorum, he's 1 man. He can press for creationism all he wants ( to his own peril ) and it would not carry any weight. He'd be President, not King. Talk about fear of the unreasonable!
So you freely admit that all of your fears of Obama are baseless, right? He's not a dictator or a king, after all!
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All Santorum is saying is that we should have the right to be religious and still hold public office. Being Christian, Muslim or Jew shouldn't be a disqualifier any more than what our Founders fought against, that religious tests be given to ALLOW people to hold public office.
Can you show me any examples of a person in this country being kept from holding public office because of his religion?
"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Quote:No, that's not what he's saying. He's saying that religion should be part of government.
All Santorum is saying is that we should have the right to be religious and still hold public office.
So, religious folk have no business being a part of the govt ? Is THAT what you're saying ?
And Anthony, to answer your question, the persecution of Santorum seems proof enough for me.
" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "
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Do you not know how to read?
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No, rappy can't wrap his brain around the idea that a religious person is not the same as a religion. That a person is not the same as a policy.
Rappy, we have had "religious people" in government for as long as we've had government. Not the same as RELIGION in government.
Yanno, since you get so exercised about Muslim theocracies, you'd think you'd at least recognize what makes a government a theocracy or not.
*snicker*
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