That lovely, peaceful religion of peace...
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Here you go Pizmo, spin this one.
http://www.wnd.com/2012/02/atheist-choked-by-muslim-and-then/
Muslim judge, muslim defendant, US court, case thrown out.
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A Muslim judge in Pennsylvania – who scolded a local atheist for offending Islam, called him a doofus and accused him of “using the First Amendment” to madden Muslims – dismissed harassment charges against the Muslim defendant who purportedly choked the atheist during a Halloween parade.
District Judge Mark Martin brought a Quran to court and told the alleged victim, American Atheists’ Pennsylvania State Director Ernest Perce V, “I think you misinterpreted a couple of things. So before you start mocking somebody else’s religion, you might want to find out a little more about it. It kind of makes you look like a doofus.”
The judge added, “I think our forefathers intended to use the First Amendment so we can speak with our mind, not to p— off other people and cultures – which is what you did.”
Perce had worn a “zombie Muhammad” costume and proclaimed that he was the Prophet Muhammad risen from the dead at the Oct, 11, 2011, event in Mechanicsburg, Pa. A “zombie pope” was also featured in the parade that night.
Now the Scranton Atheism Examiner reports that Perce could be arrested for posting audio of the judge scolding him for mocking Muhammad. According to report, the Muslim judge has threatened to hold him in contempt of court for releasing the recording. Perce has claimed he was given permission to post the audio.
The Examiner reports that Perce said he posted the audio because the judge treated him unfairly and showed preferential treatment for the Muslim defendant.
According to reports, the atheists were marching when Talaag Elbayomy, a Muslim, stormed out of the crowd and assaulted Perce, grabbing a sign around his neck and pulling until the strings choked him.
The men caught the attention of a nearby police officer.
Mechanicsburg Police Officer Bryan Curtis told Pennsylvania’s WHTM-TV, “Mr. Perce has the right to do what he did that evening, and the defendant in this case was wrong in what he did in confronting him.”
He added, “I believe that I brought a case that showed proof beyond a reasonable doubt, and the case was dismissed, and I was disappointed.”
Elbayomy – who said he believed it was illegal to mock Muhammad – was charged with harassment. He denied touching Perce at trial, but Officer Curtis said Elbayomy admitted grabbing Perce’s sign and beard the night of the incident.
However, Judge Martin dismissed the charges and purportedly belittled the atheist victim.
The following is an excerpt of the Muslim judge’s lecture in which he scolded Perce for offending Islam:
Well, having had the benefit of having spent over two-and-a-half years in predominantly Muslim countries, I think I know a little bit about the faith of Islam. In fact, I have a copy of the Quran here, and I would challenge you, Sir, to show me where it says in the Quran that Muhammad arose and walked among the dead. I think you misinterpreted a couple of things. So before you start mocking somebody else’s religion, you might want to find out a little more about it. It kind of makes you look like a doofus. …
In many other Muslim-speaking countries, err, excuse me, many Arabic-speaking countries, predominantly Muslim, something like this is definitely against the law there, in their society. In fact, it could be punished by death, and frequently is, in their society.
Here in our society, we have a Constitution that gives us many rights, specifically First Amendment rights. It’s unfortunate that some people use the First Amendment to deliberately provoke others. I don’t think that’s what our forefathers intended. I think our forefathers intended to use the First Amendment so we can speak with our mind, not to p— off other people and cultures – which is what you did.
I don’t think you’re aware, Sir, there’s a big difference between how Americans practice Christianity – I understand you’re an atheist – but see Islam is not just a reliNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
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No armed person can be a victim unless they will it.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/tucson-swat-team-defends-shooting-iraq-marine
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Guess he must've "willed it", huh?
He wasn't a victim. He attempted to defend himself and failed, but that of itself does not make him a victim.
Armed gives you a chance. That doesn't mean you will prevail. Thermopylae, Alamo, Camerone, Phillipines, Iwo Jima, Isandlwana, were the men at those battles victims? No.
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Originally posted by pizmobeach:
I confess I didn't get the connection from what I read:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jizya
Under Islamic law, jizya or jizyah (Arabic: ????? gizyah IPA: [d?izja]; Ottoman Turkish: cizye; both derived from Pahlavi and possibly from Aramaic gaziyat[1]) is a per capita tax levied on a section of an Islamic state's non-Muslim citizens, who meet certain criteria.
A tax on Christians?
Understand that jizyah is not a secular law. It is islamic. That means that everywhere there is a theocracy, or where the government acknowledges islamic law as the sanctioned religion, christians, jews, buddhists, pagans, have to pay the jizyah.
If the US were as anti-everything-but-christianity as claimed we could tax them. OOPS! There's that 1st amendment preventing that sort of thing happening here.
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He wasn't a victim. He attempted to defend himself and failed, but that of itself does not make him a victim.
Hello,
Yes, he was a victim. The definition of being victimized and being a victim does not care whether you tried or not. It does not care how valiant or full of conviction or well-armed you were. It only cares whether an aggressor harmed you.
I understand that you have created some kind of personal definition of victim, laced with personal feelings about standing up for yourself, but please understand that your personal definition has no relation to standard language or logic.
I am a proponent of gun freedoms, and of self-defense. But when you say things like, (I paraphrase) "You can't be a victim if you try to defend yourself" it promotes a distorted view of reality. A righteous stance and a gun may give you a chance to survive, but it does not guarantee that you won't be a victim. You can try your hardest and still be a victim.
--Anthony
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"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner
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If the US were as anti-everything-but-christianity as claimed we could tax them.
Hello,
Actually, I think church profits should be taxed, but that's unrelated to the subject at hand.
--Anthony
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"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner
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Quote:Not in THIS country. But we do a great job doing all of that stuff in other nations.
Santorum and other christian fundamentalists in the US may talk a hard line, but they're not bombing mosques or temples or abducting islamics and jews.
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Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:Not in THIS country. But we do a great job doing all of that stuff in other nations.
Santorum and other christian fundamentalists in the US may talk a hard line, but they're not bombing mosques or temples or abducting islamics and jews.
Hello,
On that note, Signy, it's not just christian fundamentalists who do it.
--Anthony
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"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner
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I guess what I'm trying to point out is that other people may be just as afraid of us as we are of them. Or more so.
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I guess what I'm trying to point out is that other people may be just as afraid of us as we are of them. Or more so.
Hello,
Moreso, I'd wager. We can back up any rhetoric with the requisite force. We can topple nations, change regimes, assassinate opponents, disappear people forever, and torture them at will.
There is no restraint on our desires but two: The threat of Armageddon, and what we can afford to buy or borrow.
--Anthony
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"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner
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He wasn't a victim. He attempted to defend himself and failed, but that of itself does not make him a victim.
...I understand that you have created some kind of personal definition of victim, laced with personal feelings about standing up for yourself, but please understand that your personal definition has no relation to standard language or logic.
I am a proponent of gun freedoms, and of self-defense. But when you say things like, (I paraphrase) "You can't be a victim if you try to defend yourself" it promotes a distorted view of reality. A righteous stance and a gun may give you a chance to survive, but it does not guarantee that you won't be a victim. You can try your hardest and still be a victim...
It is about accepting responsibility for your own safety and preparing before the moment of crisis. Bad things can happen even if you are prepared, but that does not make you a victim. Even if you don't survive. If you can't grasp that concept, then we might as well agree to disagree.
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