You believe Muslims are scary, dangerous people
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Do you know of similar organizations in other Muslim countries, Frem?
None that won't get you the Salma Al-Rushaid treatment for donating to them...
See, one of the favors we do for whatever radical nutjob we happen to be propping up this week is label his opponents "terrorists", which has on occasion lead to americans or foreign nationals being arrested, deported, and so on, just for donating to a charity that's suddenly become politically inconvenient - which is what I have major concerns about with RAWA even though most of my support while material is done by proxy or anonymously, to the point of wiping down office equipment to ensure no fingerprints are left before shipment.
Now while they haven't pulled that gig with RAWA, our forces HAVE bombed several of their schools and facilities when dickheads we're supporting pointed them out as supposed terrorist training camps, even when we KNEW different, in order to keep them "on our side", such as they are, and there's often communication problems cause their few english speakers/translators tend to get capped at an alarming rate sufficient to convince me both the radical wackjobs and our forces have been targetting them on purpose.
Long and short of all that, besides the inherent danger in supporting folks like RAWA politically, and legally - is that it doesn't really MATTER if we support one radical fundamentalist nutjob over another militarily, that won't change a goddamn thing except which of em currently hold the reins of power, and every time we've tried it it's been a disaster.
We *should* be supporting RAWA and the like, but see there's this little problem, they tend towards self-determination, and are unwilling to let us loot and exploit their country, and they will stand up to US as quick as anyone else who infringes on their human rights, freedoms, and sovereignity - ergo, to the corporate war machine, they're "useless" and better off dead cause they're in the way of looting the place via a propped up punk like Kharazi who can be depended on to look the other way so long as we keep him in power, you see ?
So it comes down to it, you know who the primary supporter of these radical fundamentalist islamic fucks is ?
US.
That's right, the good ole US of A, we arm em, train em, point em at our enemies, smack em down when they aim at us, and use them as a handy excuse to keep up the booga-booga, to feed the war machine, to enable the christofascists here to have THEIR way, and all the powers that be giggle about it on both sides while us peons get sent to kill each other just to keep the game going.
But nobody wants to talk about THAT, either.
Best case would be pulling our troops (and their goddamn crusader mindset) out completely, and backing up RAWA with about a hundred thousand multinationally composed UN peacekeepers armed to the teeth with an aggressive RoE.
But then how would we feed the war machine which enriches the powerful, eh ?
-Frem
I do not serve the Blind God.
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Not much we can do about the Sunni's in Iraq setting off car bombs outside Shia schools. Doesn't mean we shouldn't look with disgust upon the folks who would specifically target children.
The U.S. government specifically targets children.
"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill
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Yes, Anthony, as a matter of fact... I do.
And now, it's worse than you know. A lot worse.
Muslim Admits to Attacking Atheist; Muslim Judge Dismisses Case
By Al Stefanelli
The Pennsylvania State Director of American Atheists, Inc., Mr. Ernest Perce V., was assaulted by a Muslim while participating in a Halloween parade. Along with a Zombie Pope, Ernest was costumed as Zombie Muhammad. The assault was caught on video, the Muslim man admitted to his crime and charges were filed in what should have been an open-and-shut case. That’s not what happened, though.
The defendant is an immigrant and claims he did not know his actions were illegal, or that it was legal in this country to represent Muhammad in any form. To add insult to injury, he also testified that his 9 year old son was present, and the man said he felt he needed to show his young son that he was willing to fight for his Prophet.
The case went to trial, and as circumstances would dictate, Judge Mark Martin is also a Muslim. What transpired next was surreal. The Judge not only ruled in favor of the defendant, but called Mr. Perce a name and told him that if he were in a Muslim country, he’d be put to death. Judge Martin’s comments included,
So, here in the US, we have freedom of almost anything, but not freedom to piss off Muslims.
The HELL with that!!!
" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "
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Hello Mr. Raptor,
It appears that you missed the fact that Frem posted about this story already, and I responded to it.
--Anthony
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"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner
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Quote Auraptor: "So, here in the US, we have freedom of almost anything, but not freedom to piss off Muslims."
The judge knowlingly broke the law, IMO. Eventual recall/loss of job seems likely.
Today on Faux-News: "The ruling has been characterized as 'completely and unequivocally unacceptable' in a blog
posting by the American Atheists.That group released what it said was audio of Martin lecturing Perce about
religious tolerance.
"That a Muslim immigrant can assault a United States citizen in defense of his religious beliefs and walk away a
free man, while the victim is chastised and insulted by a Muslim judge who then blamed the victim for the crime
committed against him is a horrible abrogation," the posting reads. " … I can promise you this, you have not heard
the last of this issue. Not by a long shot." =>
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/02/24/pennsylvania-judge-reportedly-dis
misses-harassment-charge-against-zombie/#ixzz1nM7ChDzt
"All I suggest is a man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest" ~Paul Simon
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I thought it'd be easy to find common people in the less extremist Islamic countries talking about separation of
religion and state.
Wrong. I failed. It's been quite uphill. A lot of Middle Eastern people want it. Turkey has it. But it still looks
a long way off. For people to embrace the principle, they have to be reassured, even as people in the USA were after
the Revolution, that their right to religious freedom would be protected under the law.
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Dr. Jaafar Sheikh Idris: "So how are Muslims to approach the modern trend of separation of religion and state in
their countries? The basic belief in Islam is that the Qur'an is one hundred percent the word of God, and the Sunna
was also as a result of the guidance of God to the Prophet peace be upon him. Islam cannot be separated from the
state because it guides Muslims through every detail of running the state and their lives. Muslims have no choice
but to reject secularism for it excludes the laws of God."
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Bernard Lewis, The Political Language of Islam, 1988: "In classical Islam there was no distinction between
Church and state. In Christendom the existence of two authorities goes back to the founder, who enjoined his followers
to render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's and to God the things which are God's. Throughout the history of
Christendom there have been two powers: God and Caesar ..."
"That is not so in the Islamic world. It was never so in the past, and the attempt in modern times to make it so may
perhaps be seen, in the longer perspective of history, as an unnatural aberration which in Iran has ended and in some
other Islamic countries may also be nearing its end."
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The Advantage to Islam Of Mosque-State Separation
by Alexander Benard => http://www.hoover.org/publications/policy-review/article/5735
"Recent surveys indicate that the populations of many major Muslim-majority countries are almost evenly divided on
such hot-button issues as whether Shari’a should serve as the primary foundation for laws and whether clerics should
be involved in political questions. These new data challenge previously held assumptions about the values and attitudes
of Muslim publics concerning mosque-state separation. ...
"In the battle between supporters and opponents of mosque-state separation, there can be little doubt that the Islamic
fundamentalists are currently winning. Most countries in the region do not separate religious and political authority.
The Saudi Arabian constitution, for example, declares that it is the state’s duty to protect Islam and implement Shari’a.
The result is a country where a typical year sees roughly 50 public beheadings, many for petty crimes such as marijuana
possession ... In 2004, a mentally handicapped 16-year-old girl was hanged in public for 'crimes against chastity.' ...
"A separate survey, conducted in Iraq in 2004, around the time the country’s new constitution was being adopted, asked
whether religion should have a special role to play in government.4 Forty-nine percent answered that 'religion and government
should respect one another by not impeding on the rights, roles, and responsibilities of the other.' By contrast, only 42
percent answered 'yes.' A more recent poll found that 55 percent of Muslims in Iraq now strongly agree that Iraq would be a
better place if religion and politics were separated. ...
"Islamic conservatives, who remain powerful in Muslim-majority countries, will ensure that an approach perceived as hostile
toward religion will generate a backlash. The American approach is therefore instructive because it demonstrates, in the
context of a conservative society, the value of focusing on how disestablishment benefits religion. Islamic moderates,
similarly, must build a convincing case that mosque-state separation, coupled with full religious freedom, is actually
advantageous for religion."
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Separation of Church and State in Turkey--Where Islam Meets the West => http:
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Maybe they don't to separate their religion from the state? Is it not up to up to other countries to run them as they see fit?
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Maybe they don't to separate their religion from the state? Is it not up to up to other countries to run them as they see fit?
¿Qué?.
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I responding to your post that you were unable to find much evidence of Islamic countries who do not separate religion from the state, and I then posted what I did. Maybe separation of the two is our ideal , our belief, and maybe the majority of muslim people do not hold that ideal.
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Quote Oonjerah: "I do have a sound answer to the Islamic problem, one that does not involve wars or hate.
In the past, I have seen a news commentator in Egypt I think it was. His idea was that the Arab world needs
separation of church and state."
(Having an answer & implementing it can be two different things.)
It was years ago, sometime after we invaded Iraq, & perhaps it was an Islamic person talking to a reporter.
Recalling that, I wanted to explore this line: Common Islamic people talking about separation of religion and state.
Anthony asks, "What are you advocating? What do you want us to do?"
I was responding.
AM I advocating that the USA should force separation of church and state on them as we did in Iraq? NO. It doesn't work.
You cannot legislate what a person will believe; the most you can do is attempt to brainwash them.
I feel the Middle East would have more peace and unity with separation of church and state. They are familiar with
the concept, but it is hard for most of them to conceive of such a change as harmonious with their faith.
I think we should get out of there and let the idea percolate.
It works for the Turks.
It must be terribly hard to export our notions of freedom and human rights when we do not practice it there.
What's your answer, MD?
Personal responsibility is the Truth.
Self determination triumphs over reaction.
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