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Friday, February 24, 2012 1:10 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Hey, I'm all for a godless run govt, I really am. But when our dear leader has a god complex himself, and or his dutiful followers in the MSM all but CALL him god... I'm not real sure that's a hell of a lot different.



You don't watch the MSM do you?

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Friday, February 24, 2012 1:17 AM

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:

You don't watch the MSM do you?

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.



You're not suggesting that they don't absolutely adore and worship the man, are you ?




" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Friday, February 24, 2012 1:35 AM

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:

You don't watch the MSM do you?

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.



You're not suggesting that they don't absolutely adore and worship the man, are you ?




If you consider calling him the antichrist to be "love", you have more problems than we thought!



"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Friday, February 24, 2012 2:45 AM

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Yup, Rappy showing his Islamophobia again.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.



Is that what the wife and 2 young sons of the condemned man can call it too ?

He deprived no one of their life, liberty or property. He committed no fraud or act of treason. And yet he's charged and may very well lose his life.

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What is your point? That religious nutjobs are barbaric? That people in other countries do bad things?

This is news to nobody, so what are you trying to convey?

--Anthony



The blindness by so many on this issue is stunning.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "



So let's say you get your wish and the White House is yours (Mitt, Newt, Rush, whomever), what would you want them to do about this particular incident?



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Friday, February 24, 2012 5:08 PM

Christian Pastor sentenced to death in Iran for not changing religion to islam.

Honor killings in the US by islamics.

Islamics in Egypt persecuting coptic christians.

Indonesia restricts religion to six "recognized" religions.
http://www.persecution.org/2012/02/22/indonesia-attacks-on-religious-m
inorities-remain-largely-unchallenged-by-justice-institutions
/

Kazakh government bans 579 religions.
http://www.persecution.org/2012/02/24/kazakh-government-to-ban-579-chu
rches-and-religious-communities
/

UK christian woman denied rights given to muslim co-workers.
http://www.persecution.org/2012/02/22/uk-christian-woman-denied-rights
-given-to-a-muslim-over-work-days
/

Mob in Lahore attempts to abduct a christian teacher over an alleged burning of a koran.
http://www.persecution.org/2012/02/24/christian-teacher-accused-of-bla
sphemy-in-lahore
/

In Pakistan, a christian church is attacked by islamics.
http://www.persecution.org/2012/02/23/islamic-extremists-storm-a-churc
h-in-pakistan-wound-two-believer


Christian churches in Nigeria bombed by islamics.
http://www.persecution.org/2012/02/22/two-churches-targeted-in-bomb-at
tack-in-nigeria
/

The islamic religious policy of jizyah. Look it up.

A 1 minute search. Do you think there's a pattern here? Santorum and other christian fundamentalists in the US may talk a hard line, but they're not bombing mosques or temples or abducting islamics and jews.

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Friday, February 24, 2012 5:43 PM

CaveTroll - your search turned up the same web site. Looking at their site it appears like they may not be the most objective source:

http://www.persecution.org/about-us/the-problem/

The Problem
The Hidden Battle
Jeff King, ICC President

"All over the world, a war is being fought. It’s not a war that you will see on CNN, or on the cover of Time magazine.

It isn't even one you can see with your physical eyes. It is a spiritual war, where the gospel of Jesus Christ is spreading into and throughout all the nations while the world and unseen spiritual forces battle back to keep out the light. Who are on the frontlines of this war? Your brothers and sisters.

In this past century alone, more Christians were murdered for their faith than any other century in human history, an estimated 200 million. The persecuted church suffers in the forefront of this war in order that the church might be established where the gospel is either non-existent or oppressed by other religions.

From Indonesia, to India, to the Horn of Africa, believers are economically marginalized, denied education for their children, beaten, tortured, raped, imprisoned and sadly even murdered for their faith. The oppression is limitless, and usually unseen by the world. Visit our persecuted countries page to see where the majority of persecution takes place.

Jesus has called the body of Christ to stand up for our hurting brothers and sisters. How do we help?"

Me: I imagine that a similar web site for Muslims/Arabs might post about all the killings by Christians throughout the Middle East.

I don't think anyone is particularly innocent here.

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Friday, February 24, 2012 6:25 PM

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Originally posted by CaveTroll:
Santorum and other christian fundamentalists in the US may talk a hard line, but they're not bombing mosques or temples or abducting islamics and jews.


Only because crazy bastards like me stand in the way, because our laws stand in their way, because our people, many of them, stand in the way.

And they DO mean to *eliminate* those "problems" if they ever have the ability or means to do so, historically religion and genocide are so closely in concert they are almost indistinguishable.

Doesn't mean I have any liking for them assholes over THERE
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But we got assholes over HERE in plenty
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Who would do the same thing if folks like me didn't fight with tooth and claw rabidity to prevent it, so why exactly should I worry about a bunch of pissants thousands of miles away who are no IMMINENT threat when some other pack of pissants has already invaded and begun to distort our very law, our very society ?

And also, when folks stand up to them assholes in their own countries - you know what we do, have done ?
Arm and support the motherfuckers who kill em, that's what - The Shah, Osama, Saddam, Karazi....
So how exactly do you think we're preventing anything when we're the dickheads who armed and backed these fundamentalist crazies to begin with in most cases ?

The dichotomy of so called logic here is appalling.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Friday, February 24, 2012 7:27 PM

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so why exactly should I worry about a bunch of pissants thousands of miles away who are no IMMINENT threat when some other pack of pissants has already invaded and begun to distort our very law, our very society ?
Well said, Frem.

I will ask again the question posed (repeatedly) by Anthony: What are we supposed to DO about it? One can hate an entire sector/religion, nobody can stop that. One can be totally obsessed by their paranoia/hatred of an entire sector/religion, nobody can stop that. NOBODY has their heads up their asses; we all know all too well that there are extremists out there willing to do harm. But Alt.Univ.'s purpose in posting whatever he can find that disses MUSLIMS, not extremists, serves no purpose. Supposedly Homeland Security is doing its job and protecting us...why keep focusing on extremists thousands of miles away? Not one single person here can DO anything about it--except perhaps hate all Muslims, as it appears Alt.Univ. wants us to do (?) or feels we should do (?) or whatever.

There is, meanwhile, a very real and concrete danger happening in our OWN country--extremists of the Christian type--who are changing our laws, imposing their will on us, and DO want to take over our country (if not the world), and who are going about it in a very real fashion. I'd rather focus on the danger at hand, thank you, because there are things we can DO about it. Like stop them from passing their egregious laws, get them out of governmet, out of power, CHANGE those laws as soon as we can, OPPOSE their efforts to impose their will on us, etc.

Anthony's question is right on point. There is something in between ignoring and being obsessive, Riona, it's called common sense. Obsession is finding articles about England or Jews and posting them with ridiculous titles (PN); obsession is finding articles and posting titles dissing someone totally unrelated to the story (Zit); obsession is hunting up horrible things done by Muslims and using them to condemn an entire religion and anyone who practices it (Alt. Univ.). Do these things serve any purpose beyond getting attention and showing the mental compulsions of the posters?

Posting about egregious things done in our own country by those in power, on the other hand, DOES bring to light things which might otherwise go unnoticed which affect US individually and which we might do something ABOUT, such as voting, demonstrating, writing letters to those who supposedly represent us. We can have (some) control over our own government; we can have none over governments and religions outside America, unless we want to bomb them, which we frequently do. Unless we finance others to get rid of them, which, yes in too many cases has resulted in just as bad--or worse--situations.

Just as an aside; yes, the last Shah of Afghanistan was a good man, a forward-thinking man who was trying to bring his country into the twentieth century, slowly, in ways they would have accepted. He wasn't perfect, and he was a "dictator" in some ways (tho' Afghanistan is so fractured he knew his would never be a "central government"--something we have yet to grasp. It was Russia who took him out, so we armed others to take THEM out, and now look what we've got. Our interference in many countries has had negative consequences.

Is Alt. Univ. suggesting we should bomb ALL MUSLIMS and every Muslim country? Invade all Muslim countries like we invaded Iraq--and look how much good THAT did! Otherwise, what actions does he want us to take exactly to eradicate these things he posts? He wants us to hate; we all get that. But beyond hating (which accomplishes nothing, and would make us hate those individuals mentioned here who are decent human beings and just happen to be Muslim), what does it accomplish? I would say "venting his own frustration", except the way he phrases/titles these anti-Islamic threads indicates clearly that he wants us to

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Friday, February 24, 2012 9:03 PM

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Originally posted by pizmobeach:
CaveTroll - your search turned up the same web site. Looking at their site it appears like they may not be the most objective source:




Are any of the linked sources demonstrably false? If you are objecting to their spin, everyone puts spin on stories. If they're all linked from the same source you can at least subtract the spin.

I take it you couldn't be troubled to look up jizyah?

And yes, christians can be zealots too. Fortunately we have the 1st amendment to control zealotry here. And when that fails we have the 2nd amendment.

No armed person can be a victim unless they will it.

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Friday, February 24, 2012 9:16 PM

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No armed person can be a victim unless they will it.





Hello,

That's rather patently false. Being armed only improves your chances of resistance. It does not guarantee that you won't be victimized.

Armed people are victimized every day.

--Anthony

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