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Yes, indeedy, we sure fixed Iraq!

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Thursday, February 23, 2012 5:28 PM

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A rapid series of attacks spread over a wide swath of Iraqi territory killed at least 50 people on Thursday, targeting mostly security forces in what appeared to be a vicious strike by al-Qaida militants bent on destabilizing the country.

The apparently coordinated bombings and shootings unfolded over four hours in the capital Baghdad — where most of the deaths occurred — and 11 other cities. They struck government offices, restaurants and one in the town of Musayyib hit close to a primary school. At least 225 people were wounded.

"What is happening today are not simple security violations — it is a huge security failure and disaster," said Ahmed al-Tamimi, who was working at an Education Ministry office a block away from a restaurant that was bombed in the Shiite neighborhood of Kazimiyah in northern Baghdad. He described a hellish scene of human flesh and pools of blood at the restaurant.

"We want to know: What were the thousands of policemen and soldiers in Baghdad doing today while the terrorists were roaming the city and spreading violence?" al-Tamimi said.

It was the latest of a series of large-scale attacks that insurgents have launched every few weeks since the last U.S. troops left Iraq in mid-December at the end of a nearly nine-year war.

Marwan Ibrahim/AFP/Getty ImagesAn Iraqi firefighter douses a car as security... View Full Size Marwan Ibrahim/AFP/Getty ImagesAn Iraqi firefighter douses a car as security forces inspect the site of a blast in the northern city of Kirkuk on Feb. 23, 2012. http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/iraqi-pm-al-qaida-active
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So should we have stayed there forever? Would this have happened whenever we pulled out, no matter how long we stayed? Is Iraq better off now for our invading them?

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Thursday, February 23, 2012 6:12 PM

You cant outlast an insurgency. It isnt possible.

You are in THEIR home. They arent going anywhere, but eventually u want to go home.

All they have to do is wait you out. How do u tell an insurgent from a civilian if u dont catch them with weapons? Answer is u cant.

Those of us who screamed this at the top of our lungs before we went into Iraq were branded traitors and apologists for terrorists.

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Thursday, February 23, 2012 6:43 PM

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It's a bit like the scene in "Full Metal Jacket" where the guy is shooting the machinegun out the Huey's doorway at the people in the rice paddies below. "Anyone who runs... is VC. Anyone who DOESN'T run... is WELL-TRAINED VC."

If you can't tell the good guys from the bad, and people who want to just SURVIVE will often play both sides, then you're left in a no-win situation, where you have to assume EVERYBODY is a bad guy. And where does that kind of thinking get you?

Nope, they went in hoping to "win" Iraq, hoping for a quick victory, without even a vague notion or concept of what "victory" would even look like. Saddam gone? Is that the win?

Colin Powell tried to warn 'em, but to no avail. "You break it, you bought it." He was quite unceremoniously dumped for his honesty.

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Thursday, February 23, 2012 7:26 PM

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Those of us who screamed this at the top of our lungs before we went into Iraq were branded traitors and apologists for terrorists.
And those of us who demonstrated against it (raises hand) were branded insurgents and filthy hippies...


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Thursday, February 23, 2012 7:43 PM

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Originally posted by Niki2:
So should we have stayed there forever? Would this have happened whenever we pulled out, no matter how long we stayed? Is Iraq better off now for our invading them?



Thank Gawd we are at least smart enough to take what we learned from our failings in Iraq when we went to Afghanistan... so we could make it 10 times worse.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/24/world/asia/koran-burning-afghanistan
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Obama Sends Apology as Afghan Koran Protests Rage

"KABUL, Afghanistan — President Obama apologized on Thursday for the burning of Korans at the largest American base in Afghanistan earlier this week as furious protests raged for a third day and a man wearing Afghan Army uniform turned his weapon on coalition soldiers, killing two of them."

There's a picture of Afghan police shooting at their own people over something we did - we're geniuses at messing stuff up, our military needs an extended staycation.

"The fury does not appear likely to abate soon. Some members of Parliament called on Afghans to take up arms against the American military, and Western officials said they feared that conservative mullahs might incite more violence at the weekly Friday Prayer, when a large number of people worship at mosques.

“Americans are invaders, and jihad against Americans is an obligation,” said Abdul Sattar Khawasi, a member of Parliament from the Ghorband District in Parwan Province, where at least four demonstrators were killed in confrontations with the police on Wednesday."

We just need 10 more years and a couple more trillion... we're so close...



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Thursday, February 23, 2012 8:01 PM

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We just need 10 more years and a couple more trillion... we're so close...



Yuppers - given another decade and a bottomless moneypit, we could still turn AfPak from a quagmire to a full-on clusterfuck!

Mission Accomplished!

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Thursday, February 23, 2012 8:36 PM

That paxilon hydrachlorate option sounds better and betterer... I read an article the other day how they have figured out the fairly concealed pathways into the amygdala of the hormones that feed fear and anxiety...Come ta think of it, I shoulda posted that...
Only bad is they'll use it on US eventually too...


EDIT* I found one, not the one I read, but...

http://www.dana.org/news/brainwork/detail.aspx?id=1338

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Thursday, February 23, 2012 8:46 PM

There are times I can't tell if Wishimay is joking or not.

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Thursday, February 23, 2012 10:17 PM




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Friday, February 24, 2012 12:44 AM

What a mess. I was in high school at the time and I thought we should go in. I was wrong. The thing is that they weren't in high school, what's their excuse?

I still think the Quadruple S sneaking in and killing him would have been a better idea, though what they got could have been worse than he as often happens through that method. I'm glad he's done with, but the rest of it didn't go so well for anyone.

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