Iran threatens Europe
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Hello,
My hope is that if Israel decides to bomb Iran, or take any other action in their pre-emptive defense, that we stay out of it. My hope is that all the peace-loving people on this board, and everywhere else, rise up in righteous indignation against the idea of another war, and another hundred-thousand souls lost.
I miss the anti-war sentiment that was here in the Bush years. It's so tepid and soft now. I remember when the mere prospect of another war would get some people here to stand up and holler "HELL NO!"
Now it's like, 'Well, I wish it wouldn't happen, but you know, it might. Sigh.'
Sometimes I think the worst thing that ever happened to the Peace movement was getting a Democrat elected to the White House.
--Anthony
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"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner
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There are some of us here who are still angry, and refuse to listen to any justification, as there is every reason to believe them to be false.
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Thanks, Niki, for the support.
I am a sweet, little, old lady -- except when I'm not. For about the last 10 years, there are 2 things I do to save
the planet, & one of them is sorta fun. I recycle and I improve the top soil wherever I live. I only drive 50-75
miles a month; but that's for me, 'cause I don't wanna go anywhere. The place I'm living now had no top soil, just
road base all over. So I put soil on top of that; it's very dark, rich, full of worms. I do it all by hand.
North Africa is equatorial. My old sis often told me a that in ancient times, it was tropical like Brazil and parts
of SE Asia. (My sis was not the most reliable reporter; but she did read a lot.) It was so rich, it became a cradle
of civilization. It could not have been a desert then.
It wasn't always a desert. It became a desert from overfarming. There might have been many wise leaders along the way
who told the people, "We have to reverse this. We have to regain the fertile land by replanting trees and protecting
them, by building oases and top soil." It would have been tedious and difficult, but it could have been done.
Apparently, the Israelis have done it in less than 60 years.
The Arabs are rich. They could do it. Instead, we have the Iranian leader telling us, year after year, that they need
& have a right to nuclear power ... never mentioning the need for top soil. How silly!
That is a seriously backward priority.
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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,
My hope is that if Israel decides to bomb Iran, or take any other action in their pre-emptive defense, that we stay out of it. My hope is that all the peace-loving people on this board, and everywhere else, rise up in righteous indignation against the idea of another war, and another hundred-thousand souls lost.
I miss the anti-war sentiment that was here in the Bush years. It's so tepid and soft now. I remember when the mere prospect of another war would get some people here to stand up and holler "HELL NO!"
Now it's like, 'Well, I wish it wouldn't happen, but you know, it might. Sigh.'
Sometimes I think the worst thing that ever happened to the Peace movement was getting a Democrat elected to the White House.
I think you're right - plus, I think Obama engenders more frustration than outrage. And lately he's showing signs of doing what he made us think he would do:
- Iraq, troops almost-ish out
- Afghanistan, *plans* to bring troops home
- Libya, no obvious boots on the ground
- Military Spending, plans to cut in half
Those are improvements, right? I'm willing to give him more time since the other option is not an option.
It would be very interesting if he appeared on national tv and asked for our support as we "along with Israel" felt the need to blank Iran... I just can't imagine him going there.
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Hello,
In terms of Iraq, there's really no improvement over Bush. Obama has stuck to the Bush era plan for withdrawal. He could have earned points for getting out sooner, but lost that opportunity.
Afghanistan and halving the Military Budget are subjects of the future. I'll score them as accomplishments when they are accomplished.
Today, as we bomb Pakistan, we hear saber rattling about Iran. Hardly auspicious signs.
If you want my honest opinion, Obama has earned none of the gentleness he's been given on the subject of war.
I used to think people wanted an immediate end to the wars due to moral principles and a passion for peace.
Now I'm coming to realize it was mostly a partisan issue, used to score points against an enemy political camp.
It makes me very sad.
--Anthony
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"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner
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North Africa is equatorial. My old sis often told me a that in ancient times, it was tropical like Brazil and parts
of SE Asia. (My sis was not the most reliable reporter; but she did read a lot.) It was so rich, it became a cradle
of civilization. It could not have been a desert then.
It wasn't always a desert. It became a desert from overfarming. There might have been many wise leaders along the way
who told the people, "We have to reverse this. We have to regain the fertile land by replanting trees and protecting
them, by building oases and top soil." It would have been tedious and difficult, but it could have been done.
Yes, I know about the Sahara. It was caused by overgrazing. Similarly, Iraq was caused by poor irrigation practices back in the days of Sumeria, resulting in salinization. It was starting to come back, then Saddam Hussein came into power (more bad irrigation). In Afghanistan, that was also overgrazing, and it may be there's no possible way to bring that back.
Iran, however, has better ecological health.
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Originally posted by pizmobeach:
Why are you such a defender of radical Islam? Do you really think only we can suck?
Am I? I find it odd that you equate questioning what we're being told by admitted propagandists as "defending radical Islam". I find it even more odd that you think that my pointing out that all the things we accuse "radical Islam" of doing, we do ourselves.
I guess I could ask if you really think that only THEY can suck? Or that somehow, only we CAN'T?
We're seeing the same build-up to war that we saw a decade ago. And most of y'all are too addle-pated to even remember that, it seems. You were lied to then, yet you seem sure of your sources this time - only they're the same basic sources!
"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill
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Originally posted by Kwicko:Quote:
Originally posted by pizmobeach:
Why are you such a defender of radical Islam? Do you really think only we can suck?
Am I? I find it odd that you equate questioning what we're being told by admitted propagandists as "defending radical Islam". I find it even more odd that you think that my pointing out that all the things we accuse "radical Islam" of doing, we do ourselves.
I guess I could ask if you really think that only THEY can suck? Or that somehow, only we CAN'T?
We're seeing the same build-up to war that we saw a decade ago. And most of y'all are too addle-pated to even remember that, it seems. You were lied to then, yet you seem sure of your sources this time - only they're the same basic sources!
Maybe it's from all the time you spend battling AU, but I just don't recall you making the connection that governments outside of ours can be populated by dangerous egomaniacs with bad intentions.
"I guess I could ask if you really think that only THEY can suck? Or that somehow, only we CAN'T?"
If you've read my posts - even in this thread - you should know the answer. Why do you think there's only 1 side? Both sides can suck!
If we need to be wary of translations then how do we know "The dustbin of history" is harmless to Muslims? Maybe that's the worst thing you can say about a Government, it's beyond destroy for now, beyond destroy the current regime, it's to be removed from ever having been - don't just destroy but salt the earth of history. The last source I cited was a Lebanese paper, not the CIA quarterly, I thought that would be closer - also not acceptable?
Here's another one, wikipedia:
"Khamenei remains a steadfast opponent of the State of Israel and Zionism. In 2001 Khamenei famously remarked that "this cancerous tumor of a state [Israel] should be removed from the region"
Hmmm, does he just want to put it on a moving truck and send it to get cancer treatments? Is it really so hard to see the hatred or are you so stuck on a single position and afraid to move off it?
"We're seeing the same build-up to war that we saw a decade ago. And most of y'all are too addle-pated to even remember that, it seems. You were lied to then, yet you seem sure of your sources this time - only they're the same basic sources! "
You sound like Whozit when he says "all you liberals who love Obama" and we all go, "who is he talking about?? There aren't many liberalz here and none of them love Obama." Who is "most of y'all?" And I don't see anyone saying, "War it is then!"
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And I don't see anyone saying, "War it is then!"
Hello,
If that's not the conclusion, then it doesn't matter how awful Iran is, what sorts of Nuclear programs they're developing, or how much they despise Israel.
If we're not going to bomb them or invade them or otherwise violate their sovereignty, then these are just unattached observations floating around without purpose.
However, these observations often seem (to me, anyway) to be a list justifying action against Iran.
--Anthony
_______________________________________________
"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner
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Originally posted by AnthonyT:Quote:
And I don't see anyone saying, "War it is then!"
Hello,
If that's not the conclusion, then it doesn't matter how awful Iran is, what sorts of Nuclear programs they're developing, or how much they despise Israel.
If we're not going to bomb them or invade them or otherwise violate their sovereignty, then these are just unattached observations floating around without purpose.
However, these observations often seem (to me, anyway) to be a list justifying action against Iran.
--Anthony
Exactly. Suppose Iran *IS* pursuing nuclear weapons. Suppose they actually build them.
What reaction are you proposing? If not war, if not military strikes, then what? What *I* propose is that a nuclear Iran is no more or less dangerous than a nuclear Israel, Pakistan, India, China, or America. You've yet to provide any evidence that proves otherwise, yet seem adamant that we must do SOMETHING. What, exactly, do you propose we do? Bomb them? Sanction them? Embargo them? Refuse to talk to them?
What I see here and elsewhere is lots of people basically using their own prejudices and stereotypes to justify attacks on Iran. What you're saying, in essence boils down to "Hey, they say they aren't making nukes, but we all know how they lie." It's offensive, because what it proves to me is that you don't *know* anything about Iran, its people, its motives, or anything else, and what you think you know is wrong.
When I'm talking to someone and they preface their "thoughts" with "Hey, I don't mean to sound racist, but..." or "Hey, all I know is...", then it becomes immediately and abundantly clear to me that they are indeed about to say something horribly racist, or they in fact don't know much of anything at all.
"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill
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