Iran threatens Europe

POSTED BY: pizmobeach
UPDATED: Tuesday, June 2, 2026 17:14
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How is this helping Iran rake in cash and supplies and International support? Sanctions?

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The UN is not the only international organization in existence. I don't think it would surprise you to know that Iran has a lot of support in Russia and China. And China currently has a lot of money, and they're willing to bite back at the US.

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You don't trust humans with reactors but humans with bombs are ok?

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I don't like either, but seriously, all of this "Omigosh they're building a reactor and they might (just might!) build a bomb" is ridiculous.

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You're afraid of dismantled nukes but not live ones?

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Because no one is going to USE a nuke in this day and age, but I can get poisoned if you bury the material here.

I'm not particularly afraid of either one, but I put "being poisoned by nuclear reactor radiation and nuclear waste" at a far higher possibility of happening than I do a bomb explosion, just from the pure statistical standpoint. But to be fair, there's a lot of native uranium around here anyway I guess, so maybe your poisoning me won't make a damn lot of difference.

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Originally posted by pizmobeach:

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

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Originally posted by pizmobeach:
I don't trust any nation that says they have every intention to wipe another one off the map.

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And yet you trust one that fed you a deliberately and malicious translation via MEMRI that was so distorted it was factually untrue ?

What he said was far more equivalant to my "cast into the dustbin of history", same sentiment, without the threat, implied or otherwise.

Exact: “This occupation regime over Jerusalem must vanish from the arena/page of time.”

Not that there isn't antagonism, but when the primary source of english translation for US media distribution is part of one of the players in the game here, one might think to take those often seriously warped "translations" with a grain of salt.

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Good point - and the press isn't known for being shy about going extreme.
Seems I've heard variations on that intention though from a number of sources and not just this famous one:

"The translation presented by the official Islamic Republic News Agency has been challenged by Arash Norouzi, who says the statement "wiped off the map" was never made and that Ahmadinejad did not refer to the nation or land mass of Israel, but to the "regime occupying Jerusalem". Norouzi translated the original Persian to English, with the result, "the Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time."[11] Juan Cole, a University of Michigan Professor of Modern Middle East and South Asian History, agrees that Ahmadinejad's statement should be translated as, "the Imam said that this regime occupying Jerusalem (een rezhim-e eshghalgar-e qods) must [vanish from] the page of time (bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad).[12] According to Cole, "Ahmadinejad did not say he was going to 'wipe Israel off the map' because no such idiom exists in Persian." Instead, "he did say he hoped its regime, i.e., a Jewish-Zionist state occupying Jerusalem, would collapse."[13] The Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) translated the phrase similarly, as "this regime" must be "eliminated from the pages of history."[14]
Iranian government sources denied that Ahmadinejad issued any sort of threat. On 20 February 2006, Iran's foreign minister Manouchehr Mottaki told a news conference: "How is it possible to remove a country from the map? He is talking about the regime. We do not recognize legally this regime."

Hard to get the exact meaning of a phrase, even the context of where the thing is said. I took, "roast their bellies in Hell," as pretty easy to get. How do you know what "dustbin" is unthreatening?

"What should we drink to, Sir?"
"Down with Hitler."
"All the way down, sir."

Doesn't sound very threatening.

I've definitely heard A. speak in English, the way his mind works (doesn't work) makes me think bombing a nation into oblivion is well within his personal ideology.

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How many times have you heard Americans - politicians, generals, etc. - utter things like "Kill 'em all and let god sort 'em out!", or "Bomb-bomb-bomb, bomb-bomb Iran!" or "Nuke 'em 'til they glow, then shoot 'em in the dark!" or "Let's bomb 'em into the Stone Age!"

Given that the U.S. has the world's premier nuclear arsenal, shouldn't this be seen as incredibly threatening behavior? Haven't we in essence threatened to wipe entire countries off the map? Hell, our President even called such efforts a "crusade" after 9/11...

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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I'm confused. However the translation comes out, the basic idea is that "occupation regime over Jerusalem" must be wiped out. Isn't the only "regime" occupying Jerusalem Israel? How is that phraseology any different than the sentiment that Israel must be wiped out? Any way you put it, the "regime" over Jerusalem IS Israel, isn't it?

As to nobody using nukes, I wouldn't bet the store on it. We're NOT "sophisticated" enough to guarantee nobody will, and there are crazies in every country. Given the state of our armed forces and how they're scattered around, given our current weakness, given China and Russia being firmly behind Iran and THEIR power, who can guarantee someone hasn't worked out the situation in such a way as to believe it would end up with them "winning"?

Sorry, I don't place that much faith in mankind's common sense. I'm not convinced Iran necessarily WILL, but I'm not convinced it's impossible.

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