Iran threatens Europe
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UPDATED: Tuesday, June 2, 2026 17:14
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... Well, it is their oil so they can decide what to do with it.
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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,
As far as I'm concerned, any attempt to complicate this issue must begin with the premise, "It's not their oil."
I don't think that's a case anyone can make, so things remain blindingly simple to me.
It's not their oil.
If there are contracts and agreements in place then the oil has been promised - I would guess that's the case here. Can't run a country without some kind of long term guarantees for oil delivery.Scifi movie music + Firefly dialogue clips, 24 hours a day - http://www.scifiradio.com
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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,
It's their oil. They can do with it what they like. I don't see the problem.
It's not that simple of course, nations rise and fall and go to war for oil. I know, you'd think people would plan so it's not a problem, but it's just not like that. If you are for a destabilized region (even more so) then this is fine, but if you'd like to see some kind of bigger thinking used toward peace just one time in the area, this isn't it.
I liked this comment after the article:
"I'm not sure that this threat has significant consequences. If Iran withholds oil from the European market, and sells it somewhere else, that frees up an equivalent amount of oil in the world market for Europe to buy. It represents a redistribution of supply, but not a change in overall quantity. The implicit message here is that Iran's economy would be in peril if a complete embargo was enacted. They need to sell oil to survive."
They need to sell oil to survive, and if I'm not wrong, they only need one paying customer in order to do so.
It does seem odd that they had chosen to sell to people who they don't seem to get a long with. I don't think we're dealing with a brilliant statesmen in Ahmadinejad, he pushes too many wrong buttons and has no idea with regards to his audience. I'm not saying our guys are much better.
I've known sales people that would make it so both sides got exactly what they wanted and also felt like they screwed the other one over (appeals to the baser side when deals get done), like a double win.
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They've reduced their pool of possible customers, to say nothing of the contract violations angle. A smaller customer pool means lower price per barrel of oil. They're cutting off their noses to spite their face.
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Originally posted by pizmobeach:Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,
As far as I'm concerned, any attempt to complicate this issue must begin with the premise, "It's not their oil."
I don't think that's a case anyone can make, so things remain blindingly simple to me.
It's not their oil.
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Hello,
If indeed there are contracts in place, then it is their contracted customers who have already threatened to break the deal. They are responding to that.
It sometimes seems as if all just action only flows in one direction, against Iran. Every time Iran asserts a right, they are frowned upon.
Meanwhile, everyone else has the right to tell Iran what to do, and how, and when, and how much.
--Anthony
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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,
If indeed there are contracts in place, then it is their contracted customers who have already threatened to break the deal. They are responding to that.
It sometimes seems as if all just action only flows in one direction, against Iran. Every time Iran asserts a right, they are frowned upon.
Meanwhile, everyone else has the right to tell Iran what to do, and how, and when, and how much.
That's not necessarily true. The contract probably doesn't have any language concerning sanctions, those are based on other actions, so by the terms of the oil delivery contracts the EU nations involved are probably not breaking anything.
More importantly though, does any of it matter really? Nations can get their legals and politicians to justify anything. We all know the larger issue is Iran getting nukes. I don't feel good about that, do you? I don't trust any nation that says they have every intention to wipe another one off the map. Maybe we should be glad they at least announce their intentions?
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Originally posted by pizmobeach:Quote:
Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,
If indeed there are contracts in place, then it is their contracted customers who have already threatened to break the deal. They are responding to that.
It sometimes seems as if all just action only flows in one direction, against Iran. Every time Iran asserts a right, they are frowned upon.
Meanwhile, everyone else has the right to tell Iran what to do, and how, and when, and how much.
That's not necessarily true. The contract probably doesn't have any language concerning sanctions, those are based on other actions, so by the terms of the oil delivery contracts the EU nations involved are probably not breaking anything.
More importantly though, does any of it matter really? Nations can get their legals and politicians to justify anything. We all know the larger issue is Iran getting nukes. I don't feel good about that, do you? I don't trust any nation that says they have every intention to wipe another one off the map. Maybe we should be glad they at least announce their intentions?
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Hello,
It is because we think we have the right to do what we please that they feel they need this capability.
I do not trust or like Iran, but I don't feel we have the right to squeeze or crush them. I've already seen wars conducted based on what someone might do, and it hasn't excited me to salivate for more of the same.
--Anthony
ETA: "More importantly though, does any of it matter really?"
No, but you brought it up.
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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,
It is because we think we have the right to do what we please that they feel they need this capability.
I do not trust or like Iran, but I don't feel we have the right to squeeze or crush them. I've already seen wars conducted based on what someone might do, and it hasn't excited me to salivate for more of the same.
--Anthony
ETA: "More importantly though, does any of it matter really?"
No, but you brought it up.
Yeah, I thought "it's their oil" was a little thin so I went for the numbing "contract law."
But in the end that's just a silly thing, people will reach out and grab what they want if they're pushed far enough. I'm referring to both sides - we seem to be on a collision course on this one.I don't get why any of us can't get along, there seems to be plenty of everything. I'm hopeful that the digital revolution will eliminate a lot of that - the trade off is a loss of uniqueness - maybe something for another thread.
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"I don't get why any of us can't get along, there seems to be plenty of everything."
Hello,
I feel we are in an age where 'enough' is insufficient. People used to worry about getting fed, staying warm, staying dry. Now we fight wars to enrich the rich further, and to avoid even the most temporary of discomforts and inconveniences.
If Israel goes to war with Iran, it will be about fear. If the rest of the world gets involved, it will be about greed.
"I'm hopeful that the digital revolution will eliminate a lot of that - the trade off is a loss of uniqueness"
Having seen several foreign films remade in the U.S. recently, I am convinced that no matter how much information gets transferred from one place to another, each region will retain its own flavor. Caribbean Barbeque and Texas Barbeque will always be different. As will Cuban food and Mexican food. Even naked ideas take on distinctive flavors as they move from mind to mind.
But I'd be happy to talk about that in the new thread you propose.
--Anthony
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We all know the larger issue is Iran getting nukes.
They're not. They're enriching Uranium. Based on the centrifuges they're using, the worst they could do would be to build a dirty bomb, and while that would be a scummy thing to do, that is not a nuke.
You have to have over 90% enriched Uranium for it to be weapons grade, and it's a fairly involved process. Reactor grade material is 3-4% enriched Uranium, which is what they can do with what they have.
Everything else is just panic without understanding the science. Or people just looking for any excuse to start a fight. On Iran's part they're just saber rattling.
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