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Obama vs Obama : Against God, before he was for God.

POSTED BY: AURaptor
UPDATED: Friday, February 10, 2012 18:24
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KWICKO

Sunday, February 5, 2012 3:15 PM

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I'm not stalling...

Sure you are. Otherwise you'd give us your reaction to Obama first saying that folks shouldn't bring up religion to advance a particular political position, and then bringing up religion to advance a particular political position.

That is the topic of the thread, after all.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

Actually, go back up and look. It says "Obama vs Obama : Against God, before he was for God."

Nowhere in the original post does it say what you claim. It DOES say, however, that "To base our police on God's edicts is dangerous -"

Seems to me the topic of the thread is that Obama allegedly has some issue with basing our POLICE on "God's edicts", whatever the hell that is supposed to mean. Coupled with Rappy's calling the police low-lifes and thugs in another recent post, I suppose it can only mean that Rappy has some problem with the police. It probably stems from the fact that most cops are in unions...

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

AURAPTOR

Sunday, February 5, 2012 4:52 PM

Kwickie, again, you're a liar.

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Coupled with Rappy's calling the police low-lifes and thugs in another recent post, I suppose it can only mean that Rappy has some problem with the police. It probably stems from the fact that most cops are in unions...

I never once called the police ' low life thugs' anywhere in this thread, or in any recent post.

This, along w/ the nonsense you spew on the 'embracing Christianity' crap only shows you're a complete idiot, and or a troll.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

GEEZER

Sunday, February 5, 2012 5:27 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Actually, go back up and look. It says "Obama vs Obama : Against God, before he was for God."

Nowhere in the original post does it say what you claim. It DOES say, however, that "To base our police on God's edicts is dangerous -"

Sure it does. Just watch the videos in the original post. Obama was against citing God in support of political positions, and then cited God in support of a political position.

Did you even watch the videos?

"Keep the Shiny side up"

NIKI2

Sunday, February 5, 2012 5:35 PM

Thanx Cav...good to hear someone else speak rationally. That's as far as I got; you know, all you have to do is scroll and, when it's like this one: "Raptor...Geezer...Kwicko...Raptor...Geezer...Kwicko...", you can then realize "ahhh, it's something argued idiotically, I needn't waste my time". If you're silly enough to think you're missing something ( ), you need only wait for the next thread, where they'll do it all over again, almost word for word.

Nonetheless, nice to hear someone else express disgust at the situation. And thanx OldEngland for

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Everything else going on in the world and you would realy rather continue these pointless tit-for-tats?

Also an excellent dose of reality.

Let 'em play their game and don't waste your time. The rest of us have more entertaining things to do.

GEEZER

Sunday, February 5, 2012 5:55 PM

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Let 'em play their game and don't waste your time. The rest of us have more entertaining things to do.

Like start your own pointless threads?

"Keep the Shiny side up"

HKCAVALIER

Sunday, February 5, 2012 6:06 PM

Hey Geezer,

I didn't change the subject. I responded directly to the OP. I simply don't frame the two speeches as you do. I don't see them in contradiction. The first is about the danger of IMPOSING one set of religious values on a nation as diverse as the USA. Obama is against doing that. In the second, Obama is talking about his own, personal values. He's saying that giving to the less fortunate of the world makes good economic sense, and is consistent with his own Christian values. Where's the imposition? How am I, as a non-christian, supposed to be offended by him mentioning that his policies are consistent with what Jesus taught? Um, far as I can see, they certainly are. He's not telling anyone what to believe. But he is, no doubt, aware that a very large proportion of his audience is Christian and so he speeks in a shared idiom in order to make a point.

It creeps me out a little that right-wingers see merely "bringing up" a subject as somehow imposing some set of values on an audience. I think I get it, though. It goes back to the right-wing premise that there are no facts that everyone is obliged to accept. So, when Obama says caring for the less fortunate is consistent with what Jesus taught, y'all blow the whistle 'cause he's "telling us what is and what isn't consistent with Christian teachings!!!! MY Jesus didn't care about the poor! Obama is hurting meeeeeeee!"

That's why it's so magnificently ironic that AURaptor, the self-professed atheist, is the one whinging over this non-event.

So, saying Jesus teaching one way or another isn't simply an instance of basic reading comprehension, it's "advancing a political position." Just as bringing up the reality of racism is, in itself, racist! And promoting marriage equality is FORCING gay values on all us heterosexuals whom it doesn't touch. When reality itself becomes a "political position," any discourse is doomed. And that is the fascist agenda: to say all fact is merely opinion, so reality itself is defined by whomever is in charge.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

AURAPTOR

Sunday, February 5, 2012 6:20 PM

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That's why it's so magnificently ironic that AURaptor, the self-professed atheist, is the one whinging over this non-event.

First of all, I don't see what my beliefs have to do w/ observing Obama's double speak. It's not 'whining', by simply showing Obama for who his is.
I acknowledge the reality of today, where a politician has to do the religious song and dance, to appease the sheeple. But stating that, I still am not giddy over it. Which is why I am able to ignore one's religious leanings, as long as they keep them to themselves and have a solid grasp of the US Constitution. So, when Obama evokes bogus teachings by Jesus, as a basis for Christians to buy into his Left wing political agenda, hell yeah I'm gonna say something about it.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

NIKI2

Sunday, February 5, 2012 6:34 PM

Just to say: I believe Obama was speaking at the annual "prayer breakfast", yes? So what's he supposed to talk about at a religious event, in your opinion? Yeah, it's timely, as are most "speeches" in churches, but does that have to make it purely political? I realize in your mind(s) it does, 'cuz anything Obama says MUST be viewed negatively, but I think this whole thread is a mischaracterization and pretty stupid...as is so often the case with stuff put up by the right to diss the left, and stuff put up by the left to diss the right. Ergo, this thread goes under the category "more partisan bullshit" and is worth no more attention.

HKCAVALIER

Sunday, February 5, 2012 6:56 PM

Aw, geez, Obama's speaking at the Prayer Breakfast in the second clip? I didn't care enough to notice. Well, that ups the ante on just how idiotic this argument is. This just in: President mentions Jesus at prayer meeting! What a shocking abuse of power!

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

NIKI2

Sunday, February 5, 2012 7:29 PM

I could be wrong about that, Cav, but he just spoke at the Nationa Prayer Breakfast and the right has been attacking him about it ever since, saying he used it as an excuse to make a political point. So I don't know; I rarely watch videos in this context, but given it's been in the news the last couple of days, I'm guessing that might be the case. He mentioned how Jesus talked about caring for the poor, and they've latched onto that, among other things, as a "diss" at Republicans (especially Romney). You know how that goes...

Actually, checking YouTube, the backdrop of his speaking at the prayer breakfast is the same as in the second video posted, so I may be right. I don't particularly care, it's a silly point. You can find many videos of him speaking there on YouTube, some with titles such as "Obama misuses scripture to prosletyze tax increases" and "Obama links raising taxes to Christianity" and "Obama National Prayer Breakfast: Romney v. the Poor", and "Obama says Jesus wants us to pay more taxes", etc. Like I said, you know how it is; any words out of his mouth HAVE to be bad...

Ah...I found the exact same video, so yes, it WAS at the Prayer Breakfast. Yes, the whole point is idiotic; that surprises you exactly HOW? Sigh...