Low IQ & Conservative Beliefs Linked to Prejudice

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GEEZER

Monday, January 30, 2012 1:43 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

This " study " is about as valid and telling as the view that thinking logically is some how tied to racism.

What's funny is how much it resembles the old bogus studies racists used to put out to 'prove' that Whites were superior to the 'Negroid' or 'Asiatic' races. And how the Liberals defend it just as the racists did then.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

1KIKI

Monday, January 30, 2012 2:43 PM

Like the bogus book YOU cited "Who Really Cares"? The one where the author had to define a 'liberal' population no one else could measure? Where he had to define 'charitable' giving to exclude the things liberals donate to? You mean like that?

As for this: "What's funny is how much it resembles the old bogus studies racists used to put out to 'prove' that Whites were superior to the 'Negroid' or 'Asiatic' races. And how the Liberals defend it just as the racists did then."

Name one. And show it was supported by 'liberals'. I'll wait.

GEEZER

Monday, January 30, 2012 2:50 PM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
As for this: "What's funny is how much it resembles the old bogus studies racists used to put out to 'prove' that Whites were superior to the 'Negroid' or 'Asiatic' races. And how the Liberals defend it just as the racists did then."

Name one. And show it was supported by 'liberals'. I'll wait.

Well, there's SignyM, who posted it and apparently believes it. Then there's you. You both pretty much seem to be on the "Liberal" side here in RWED.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

1KIKI

Monday, January 30, 2012 2:54 PM

Riona

"Conservative: This is right and that is wrong, if you do that then you're wrong, black and white, easy peasy."

The problem with your argument is that this ACTUALLY EXISTS. It's not someone's made up easy-to-grasp cartoon figure. Not only does it exist, this demographic can be reliably found in study after study as being a vast majority of conservatives. Don't believe me? Read here: "The Authoritarians" http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/

OTOH your really weird notion of liberals doesn't exist as a significant demographic. I suspect it's something someone told you, which you accepted b/c it supports your religious beliefs. You know, those godless liberals are morally bankrupt inferiors to you.

1KIKI

Monday, January 30, 2012 2:55 PM

And this study shows 'whites' are superior to 'negroids'? You drinking really early today?

You know, the problems you have are severalfold:

1) You BELIEVE studies. Just like you BELIEVE capitalism, and authors (as long as you agree with them). Like you BELIEVE the book Who Really Cares - uncritically, wholly, and with conviction.

2) You BELIEVE authorities. Despite being in the machinery and seeing how ideas, people, economies have to be jimmied, broken, distorted to make things work out (where, if they were REALLY true the trueness would be self-evident and win out over time on its own merits), you BELIEVE them.

3) You, and little Rappy et al, think we BELIEVE like you do. You think we BELIEVE in global warming BECAUSE we're liberals. That we BELIEVE concentration of wealth at the top causes massive poverty at the bottom BECAUSE we're liberals. Like CTSky who claimed "we all have beliefs" b/c she can't imagine her own self without them, you too think we BELIEVE, like you do.

Except we don't. At least, I don't.

This study, like any study, has its caveats. This is an open inquiry, subject, one hopes, to further investigation. But UNTIL contrary, reliable, supportable, repeatable DATA shows otherwise - until YOU come up with a DATA-BASED RATIONAL argument as to exactly where, and how it's flawed, it stands.

And simply pointing a finger and going nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah you LIBerals! isn't a discussion about the study.

BYTEMITE

Monday, January 30, 2012 3:06 PM

>_>

My understanding is about 20% of the population is conservative, 20% of the population is liberal, 10% is undecided, and 40% is independent.

Your 40-50% who have no political compass, are you saying they have no moral compass either? Are you equating political activity with morality?

BYTEMITE

Monday, January 30, 2012 3:23 PM

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Name one. And show it was supported by 'liberals'. I'll wait.

Uh... Geezer wasn't saying that liberals produced racist studies. He was merely comparing intelligence by ideology with intelligence by race, which is potentially a very good point.

However, I might very well make that claim. Liberals have, did, and DO produce racist studies.

Anytime before the 1930s you would have seen mainstream racism from both the left-wing and right-wing. So before then, you very well would have seen scientific studies about racial intelligence from both the left and right wing, and somewhat questionable policies based on that.

And if you want a later example, someone who's still around...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Jensen

*Shrug* I'll agree you see more of it on the right, but no side is completely innocent.

1KIKI

Monday, January 30, 2012 3:29 PM

Is Jensen a liberal? Keep in mind that 'academician' doesn't equate with 'liberal'.

BTW, National Geographic had an interesting article (not really a study of course) that, looking at various twin studies, gave some indication of how 'heritable' some things are. Autism was up around 80%. I don't remember where intelligence was, blood pressure was at the 50% rank.

But the heritability of intelligence isn't in dispute - it is heritable to some extent. And the reproducible finding that economically disadvantaged people of color tends to score lower on IQ tests is also not in dispute. What is in dispute is the explanation - everything from cultural test bias (which does exist in the tests), to lead poisoning which is FAR more frequent in poor city dwellers, to epigenetics has been proposed.

BYTEMITE

Monday, January 30, 2012 3:33 PM

BTW, race is a poor indication of haplogroups, which itself is a better predictor of intelligence, but I think still flawed.

BYTEMITE

Monday, January 30, 2012 3:35 PM

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Is Jensen a liberal? Keep in mind that 'academician' doesn't equate with 'liberal'.

Berkeley, 1960s, spent time working as a social worker with the San Diego Department of Public Welfare?

I'd say it's a safe bet.

But in fairness, he seems to have a dislike of "Marxism" that would appear to be very red scare conservative in nature. But then, show me someone who is all liberal and all conservative in all their ideas and I'll show you a charicature.

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