could jayne be a dad ?
POSTED BY: browncoatfan1
UPDATED: Thursday, August 26, 2004 02:39
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Well, you could say that Jayne could be bad under the right circumstances.
I mean he is.... errr... oh you said "a dad" 
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Gavida
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Originally posted by PurpleBelly:Quote:
Originally posted by Stillshiny:
Ah, but Jayne actually references his father in a positive (words of wisdom)light when he says "My Pop used to say anyone who can't find work ain't looking hard enough."
Those were his father's final words to Jayne as he threw him out of his home. No doubt he thought they were character building.
Boy, you sure do like to speculate. And being kicked out isn't necessarily abusive. There's them as needs a little bit of a boot to the backside to get the out of the nest. I doubt that's Jayne's case, though, he strikes me as the kind who set out on his own at the first opportunity.
Mary
Always a beast, never a burden.
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I usually try to avoid Jayne threads because they tend to be a bonanza for sentimentalists: I love Jayne, Jayne never really wanted to turn Simon and River in, Jayne is the most honest character on the show, Jayne should marry Kaylee, etc.
But when I read the subject of this thread, it made me think of a man I work with. He's a handsome man, charismatic and funny. He reminds me of Jayne. He's also the father of 5 children by 3 different women, none of whom he lives with or cares for. He works two jobs and sometimes keeps up with his child support. He is (at the moment and hopefully for the rest of his life) an ex-gangster. What he most certainly is not is good father material. He cannot sustain a relationship with a woman for any length of time and children are nothing he's ever seen a man care about so he's really bewildered by that whole idea.
So I start to read this thread and pretty soon here's Purplebelly with the most temperate observation that the boy Jayne was ill-treated and everybody rushes to sweet, sweet Jayne's aid.
Some observations: Jayne is a professional mercinary, i.e: he kills people for money (maybe his latest employer is a little different than most and curbs Jayne's inclinations, but this is not anything Jayne is happy about). Jayne will shoot a man as part of a salary dispute. Jayne will gladly participate in torture and shows disappointment when given orders that the torture be limited to threats and intimidation. Jayne frequents whores. Jayne obviously cares for Kaylee but can only insult her to her face or hide his affection from the entire crew, shamefully watching over Kaylee from a convenient hiding place. Jayne's "Chain of camand" remarks are indeed funny but they are also thoroughly abusive to everyone in the room. Jayne thinks bartering an assault rifle for a human being is a good trade. And this is just off the top of my head having not seen the show for a good six months.
Jayne's character on the show is what I'd call "finessed." Nobody wants to see Jayne at his absolute worst, so Joss & co. save us again and again from seeing Jayne follow his own inclinations. He almost tortures people, almost takes violent control of the ship when Mal is indisposed, only kills people we the audience have already determined to be "bad." This is not because Jayne is such a decent guy, but because the writers choose to show him at his best most of the time. It's not unlike Quentin Tarantino's depiction of John Travolta's character in Pulp Fiction, a heroin addicted assassin who we none the less like and hope gets to sleep with Uma Thurman.
So, of course, Jayne is a survivor of an abusive childhood, I don't know that there are any professional killers who aren't. I don't know anyone who's been put in jail for violent crimes who wasn't. Is he therefore beyond redemption? Of course not. I'm just saying he's still got a long ways to go. I wish him all the luck, but I don't want him having any babies anytime soon.
HKCavalier
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I don't believe that Jayne thinks of Kaylee more like a sister but that's it. I also think that Jayne would be a good father but it would have to be a long time for now. But when it comes it would be funny to see how he deals with a kid.
"Jayne is a girl's name"-River
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Let's try boiling this down to a simpler question, which may yield insight: Does Jayne take care of his responsibilities? (canon evidence only)
Mary
Always a beast, never a burden.
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Originally posted by WildHeavenFarm:
Let's try boiling this down to a simpler question, which may yield insight: Does Jayne take care of his responsibilities? (canon evidence only)
Mary
Always a beast, never a burden.
Sure, if his responsibilities are killing people, cleaning guns, sharpening knives, torturing captives, threatening the rest of the crew with bodily harm if they go against him. But if his responsibilities include respecting women (i.e: not thinking they can be bartered for with assault rifles), treating others as equals, keeping the best interests of his family at heart, not on your life. I don't think you can be a good father if you treat women like whores and objects. Besides, Jayne is a child (man-parts, not withstanding).
I think being a parent is a little more involved than doing exactly what Mal tells you (except when he ain't lookin', o' course).
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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Perhaps Jayne viewed Saffron as a commodity because that's how she came to be there, as chattle. He never places bids for Kaylee, River, or Zoe. He doesn't even go after the woman who has sex for money. Seems to me he respects them fine, his crass sense of humor aside. And if making mean/dirty jokes at someone else's expense means that you can't also respect them, you'd hate my in-laws. Their whole family is very no-frills and straightforward (granted, I wouldn't mind a little tact from them occassionally).
Mary
Always a beast, never a burden.
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I think if Jayne had a kid he would take care of it and teach him/her to be a strong fighter just like him.
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well i think jayne dose on the holle respect women. just not in the way that i hope most of use on this borad or in real life would. but it is consestent with the way he is like a child in many ways. he is big strong and deadly but in a lot of ways his develpment is vary arrested, moraly and plyspclay(closs as i can come spelling wise) some ware in child hood or adulesnce.
in hart of gould he dosn't act like he is there to find the love of his life or to start a long term dating relasnship with anybody. why? because he nows that he is in a whore house and that thay are whors. i.e thay will have sex with him for money and he has no problem with that jayne likes sex and has no problem with a strate foword businss arangment to get it. also he dosnet acte like he is beater than the girls(burgess i'm sure saw hemself as the upstanding piller of the comuntey and thay as well whore's/sluts/fallen women some thing that he was clerlay better than and showed it). jayne used whore as just a statment of fact, that is what thay do for a living(he kills peaple and stealls things for a liveing thay wash flies space shippes thay have sex. its all good) and he was there to take advanteg of there survices. in shorte he nows why he is there and why thay are there and isn't going to try and prety it up.
we don't here what the rest of the crew got form the setlers in OMR but jayne got a stike and mal got a wife, and mal dosn'et want her. well hell jayne will take here. though i am sure that jaynes idea of how to treat a wife are almost surtnley a little more unorthedox(he would at least be a trile as a husben surly) but hot women that can cook and lets him boss her around is probley just what he thinks the word means(maby this is one of the reasons wash anyos him so much wash and zoy don't folow the patern he ecpeckts).
i going to leve it at that for right now mabbay i'll be back later to address some of the other points. i don't want to overload any body with my spelling
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I respect what you said, but I think your spelling made a friend of mine kill himself. He won't let me post his name. He says there will too much rejoicing here if folks think he's snuffed it. Here's a hint: he writes incredible smut.
Mary
Always a beast, never a burden.
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