STAR WARS: the Old Republic...Anyone Playing?

POSTED BY: HKCavalier
UPDATED: Monday, April 23, 2012 01:53
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HKCAVALIER

Friday, January 20, 2012 11:40 AM

Hey Frem,

So far, your assessment of the Force as existing beyond good and evil is supported by the story I've seen so far. I find the light/dark points remarkably accurate, though that may have more to do with my low expectations being exceded. I like that some of the dark side choices are pretty human, and even sensible given certain contexts.

And as I was saying, so far there seems to be plenty of room, story-wise, for a non-sith, "grey" Jedi in the game--my friend is playing one and teaming up with her is hilarious and nerve wracking--ya just don't know what she'll do!!! But she makes sense at the end of the day.

"As to your other remarks, I'm troubled that you are still so ruled by your anger, my friend. Do you not find that it blunts your access to the Force, blinding you to consequences, leading you to action that you later must regret? I hear so much reget in your words, old friend.

I don't find your ideas monstrous, only...exhausting in their intensity. I've often found in my meditations the Force to be something quite beyond our human ideas of good and evil. That hardly changes the necessity for men and women to champion the cause of good, does it?

You have hit upon a pet peeve of mine, I confess, with this overworked notion that we jedi destroy emotion. That you can know me for these many years and malign my ethos in this way saddens me. We jedi do not destroy emotion, we remove the affliction that causes it. Like the flame that threatens to engulf our home, we deprive our passion of what it feeds on. And the fire is quelled but never dies. We seek peace above all things and, I am here to tell you, we find it. The quest is often difficult, the journey long, but our many masters, who have gone before, light the way.

You will forgive me if I still hold out hope that you will know that peace, my friend. Lay down your sword long enough to know the depth of joy that dwells in the heart of the Force.

May the Force be with you always."

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

BYTEMITE

Friday, January 20, 2012 4:20 PM

Evil responses still range from mere lying, poking poodles, and pointless kicking the dog.

Neutral and Good responses are more nuanced. And at least you aren't restricted to alignment by your faction. So I imagine you could make your Grey Jedi not-a-Sith.

Though it'd be tricky if you were coming at it from the Jedi side, but even my Jedi has lied and gotten some darkside points here and there. Usually when another cadet has messed up in some minor way, like asking me for help when they shouldn't with a personal trial their trainers gave them and poorly explained, and the too strict Jedi want to kick them out. I usually take the blame for it just so they get a second chance. (Yes, apparently that's a dark side action, maybe it's relative to how the Jedi would see it in this case)

FREMDFIRMA

Friday, January 20, 2012 5:44 PM

Ooooh this is too, too fun...

The character in question, Darth Pandus(1) - was all but shanghaied initially into the order and over time that bitterness, resentment and a distaste for the dogmatic hypocrisy of the order exploded during an assignment where he felt the Jedi were "backing the wrong side" and resulted in the untimely death of his Cerean master at his own hands (there is a slight hypocrisy although understandable in the Jedi treatment of Cereans, which no doubt served to grate on his nerves) and him breaking with the Order.

He then took up residence somewhere in the wastelands of Metalorn(2), and prefers to be left alone, something the Council does not intend to do, much to his increasing ire.

In combat he relies on Form VII: Juyo - to quickly steamroller an opponent, and failing this will simply distract their attention and all but vanish, either to assess the situation, or get the hell out of dodge, leaving the opponent too confused or defensive to follow.
(Gamewise, probably going to go Sith Marauder, but with no essential loyalty to them or their agenda, cause Pandy don't care much for anyone elses rules..)

"Anger ? you mistake that which you see for it is passion that drives me, not rage, and without it no being ever develops, rather they stagnate and decay, and it is that stench which drove me from their ranks old friend, and what arrogance you show me, that the consequences of an action or inaction can so to a nicety be predicted ? HA!, the universe disagrees with your certainty, as do I.
And yes I have regrets, for I am no fool, without regret there is no learning, without guilt there is no justice, and without pain there is no growth - such a low opinion you must have to think me blind to my own failings, especially as it was this arrogance I left behind, albeit in some few pieces.

And what cause of good to you speak of, good for whom, and when ?
Such abstractions are as meaningless as our interpretations of them - each must do what they believe to be the right thing, even if all stand against them, for to do any less is but cowardice, a betrayal of ones self, and ultimately all one stands for - not only does the Council believe in their astounding arrogance that there is but one single path, they would herd others to it regardless of their will!
I find my purpose not in the answers old friend, but in the questions, the questions those old fools fear to ever ask because they suspect they may not like the answers.

Yet what then, when you have no answer ?
Then this I say to you, if you have no answer, you must then be the answer, and so shall I be, if the course they set themselves upon requires the destruction of the ideals that conflict with their own, then an answer to that they most certainly shall have, and I suspect they will find that answer as unpalatable as they find any disagreement, for it comes seasoned with the bitterness of their own failures.

So you would bank your fire, would you ?
I find I cannot but fan the flames of mine into a blaze that must consume, and not by my own choice, yet from ashes does not derive the most fertile soil of all ?

Go in peace old friend, and tell them they forment their own doom, that much like a handful of sand, the harder they squeeze, the more slips right through their fingers, and when what gently held is kept, what tightly gripped is crushed...
And perhaps, you might remind them of the merits of leaving well enough alone."

-Frem
(1) Pandus is latin for crooked-corrupt.
(2) Given what Metalorns industry is/was, and his attitude about rules, it's pretty obvious one of his hole cards is a handful of Droideka, which would come as a pretty nasty surprise for any unwanted guests, up to and including Jedi.

FREMDFIRMA

Saturday, January 21, 2012 2:09 AM

Update: got physical copy, installed physical copy, AGAIN get trapped in the endless 10 gig loop-o-rama of CRC errored garbage, finally nailing down what the exact problem was and consorting with some hacker type buddies involving a hideously long IRC transfer of 3 version and 7 resource files, which then had to be manually placed by hand and followed up with some explicit editing of the client defaults file...

Another full day of hours and hours down the drain and all this I get for my trouble is "internal error 5" and a crash to desktop on the loading screen.

I sincerely hope they get class-actioned, cause the horror stories are racking up faster than they can purge the complaints and I am hearing nasty rumors of hardware meltdowns - which doesn't shock me in that days and DAYS of screwing with this garbage I can tell you it's some of the shoddiest most halfassed code I have seen in my entire life, I'd be embarassed to charge money for this go-se, but of course we all know EA has no shame.

Mind you, said former Interplay rep was all by ripping his own eyes out of his sockets over this since it's reached a point where even he cannot possibly excuse how screwed up this all is.

So another WHOLE DAY down the drain, and still nothing to show for it.

-Frem

BYTEMITE

Saturday, January 21, 2012 4:51 AM

Aw jeez. :(

Well, at least now it sounds like for sure it's their awful launcher and downloader.

I'm reading up on it on the forums, someone suggested downloading the internet client and installing on top of the physical one.

BYTEMITE

Saturday, January 21, 2012 5:09 AM

More looking:

http://www.savetaris.com/doctor#section2.4

This says one possibility is if the patching is just failing utterly, you can try putting it on a different computer, and if that works transfer the files over.

Or, I actually didn't have all the patcher errors (though it did take me a while to get set up), you could get the directory from me or maybe some of the other people around here, get patched up that way.

The downside of editting manually the files is that it makes you have to go to the server with all the other people who had to try that work around, and now it's getting screwed up.

FREMDFIRMA

Saturday, January 21, 2012 10:05 AM

Further code hammering gets the correct login screen, but still fails with internal error 5.
And back to the endless circle jerk of their badly broken launcher/patcher.
Speaking of the code, upon examination...

This is not a beta, this is at best, a late-stage alpha, and it's unforgiveable to release something like this as a retail product in that it potentially qualifies as theft by fraud/deception...
(See Also: Big Rigs: Over the Road Racing)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Rigs:_Over_the_Road_Racing
And I am pretty sure by now there's vengeful people meaning to do exactly that, for this debacle makes the fiasco of FF14 look like childs play by comparison.

Gamers are pretty tired of getting stuck with being unpaid or exploited beta testers, alas that Sword Of The Stars II fell to this level of stupidity and that'll probably put paid to Kerebos, who at LEAST handled it with a dignity unmatched by other gaming companies, not that it's likely to help.
http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/news/62760/Sword-Of-The-Stars-2-s-Launch-
Failure

Bad enough all that, but I have noticed a prevalence of WGC "Solutions" coming from official sources, and worse even then that - a WGC (Wild Goose Chase) Solution is basically a time-waster intended to get you out of their hair and waste your time while crossing their fingers and hoping the problem either resolves itself or that you do what everyone seems to do these days and network with other gamers given that most tech support wavers between laughable and useless...
You know the drill, pull the logs, reset, reboot, re-install - none of which is gonna solve your problem, not one bit, but hey, it gets them off the hook for a while, right ?
And when all else fails blame the user and their hardware.

But no, some of the WGC solutions being offered are downright self-destructive.
Screwing with your RAM voltage ?!
Disabling system cores ?!
Arbitrarily yanking chips, in or out of sequence ?!

Seriously folks, *NO* amount of fiddling your RAM voltage is going to solve the problem of CRC errors and corrupted files because IMHO whatever they're building these games on is thoroughly incompatible with Quad-Core, Win7 machines (which seems to be the essential ROOT of the problem with both DAOC and SWTOR), it's just NOT - what it *will* do, if you keep following that official-source "advice" is wreck your machine, frag it to hell...
Which, I suppose gets them off the hook and buys time for someone else to come through with a fix, but it sure doesn't do YOU any good, does it now ?

Man, encouraging frustrated and desperate gamers(victims) to wreck their own hardware in order to avoid blame and having to fix your screwups, that goes beyond Evil Corporation and straight into Complete Monster territory, especially on top of the forum banning, purging and censorship which fools no one.

My old Interplay buddy seems to be in the process of having a nervous breakdown (I send him back a pint of scotch in the box he sent me the physical copy) and from what I could understand of his semi-coherent, desperately apologetic rantings is that EA could care less how broken it is and has no intention of putting any effort into fixing it, dropping the whole matter on BioWare, which screws them good and proper since most of the folk who know how the code even works fell to the typical EA Death March, or routine round of pink-slipping the minute the game ships...
http://gamerant.com/eaimposed-studio-death-march-hurt-need-speed-games
-spice-41843/
So basically there's no one THERE who knows HOW to fix it any more.

I figure BioWare is gonna pay pretty dearly for this when sales of Mass Effect 3 prove somewhat lacking due to this debacle, but EA ?
Now that's another story...

Some other irate folk have decided to throw in collectively and assist in a quasilegal variation on a round-robin handoff in an attempt to purposely crash EA's stock prices, and if that proves effective, said tactic will likely get expanded and used viciously in retaliation - cause you see, they took m

BYTEMITE

Saturday, January 21, 2012 5:51 PM

I have a quad core Win 7 machine. But it's possible it could break in the future, maybe due to a system update.

I've heard some of these recommendations to mess with the RAM, I find them questionable. When I posted above about a RAM limit, what I'd read was more about installing to a drive that falls under the limit, and less about destroying RAM. Definitely ill-advised.

FREMDFIRMA

Saturday, January 21, 2012 8:42 PM

Well, as usual, it seems I am correct - the essential problem is that the Launcher/Patcher and the files it delivers are wholly, absolutely, and fundamentally incompatible with Win7/Quad-Core machines.

Now some people got lucky, those who's stuff worked BEFORE the 1.1 "Patch" mostly, but even they had to do a lot of workarounds, and what bugs me about all this is that it's a KNOWN, ONGOING problem which EA doesn't seem to have any intention of fessing up to, since Dragon Agr: Origins has *THIS EXACT SAME PROBLEM*, and it relates to how Win7 checks file CRC - I can't find it right now, but one DAOC workaround which did work, before EA/Origin wiped any reference to it, involved hacking Win7 and completely disabling that particular check...

And yanno, designing something with such high system requirements that is NOT compatible with 64bit operating systems and high end machines is insane, and EA has had plenty of time to fix this problem, and they don't.

Anyhows, realizing this I hauled out that old piece of junk laptop from the bottom of the closet, and kicked it over here, jacked in the network cable and spent all day so far installing and patching SWTOR, despite the poor little thing coming nowhere NEAR the system requirements, and wouldn't you know it, it worked without a hitch - so I grabbed my SeaGate Goflex and jacked THAT in, and am copying the whole bloody directory as we speak, good fortune in happening to have an outdated laptop that still had 20Gigs of space on the drive (just barely) AND a SeaGate Goflex 1TB USB external drive, but this is still pathetic, ridiculous and insane... especially as I know damn well imma have to do it ALL OVER AGAIN every time they patch this garbage.

I guess we'll see once I get the functional files on the external hard drive and jack it back into this one, but I am vengeful and unforgiving about this, nor am I the only one...
And on that note a shout out to FalconEvo, who has SINGLEHANDEDLY done more to support and fix the game, than the entire tech support, customer service, and dev teams combined - of his own whim, and it seems that yet-another-forum-purge has occured since I guess the users saluting him musta offended the useless trolls of their in-house staff, grrrr

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

FREMDFIRMA

Saturday, January 21, 2012 10:37 PM

Finally.

Lv5 Sith Warrior - and my fellow Sith are puppy-kicking idiots.
*shakes head*
Mercy can be a weapon, having someone who owes you big is worth far more than another corpse, especially if they have useful skills - and loyalty is never earned by those who cast aside those no longer useful to them.

Oh yes, and again, if I wanted to slavishly follow someone elses friggin RULES I'd be a Jedi, wouldn't I ?

I rather suspect some of my so-called peers are gonna get it in the neck at my own hands, cause they're just too STUPID, petty little fools the lot of them, unable to see beyond the now.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StupidEvil

Me, imma what ya call pragmatic, neh ?

Will also try Republic Smuggler, but later.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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