This pretty much sums up my views towards Obama...
POSTED BY: AURaptor
UPDATED: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 17:24
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Originally posted by SignyM:
How do I explain Walmart/Apple/(insert name here)? You mean a corporation that's surviving on the backs of so many working in near slave labor conditions ? I don't think Walmart/Apple/(insert name here) is in as great shape as some would have us believe.
Don't like those places? Don't shop there. Don't work there. And to compare working at any of those places, with living in China ? You have no argument.
" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Love N. Euro socialist countries so much? Move there.
Think Germany's economy is so amazing ? Thank OUR military budget, which pretty much pays for their success.
Too much reality for you ?
I don't fancy the Northern European countries because I cannot abide that sort of weather. But as for economic/social success stories, they are doing pretty well.
As for the German economy - an interesting success story, yes achieved initially via the Marshall Plan, but also because of how Germany went about its economic restructure.
Again from wiki before they shut down:
"The Germans proudly label their economy a "soziale Marktwirtschaft," or "social market economy," to show that the system as it has developed after World War II has both a material and a social—or human—dimension. They stress the importance of the term "market" because after the Nazi experience they wanted an economy free of state intervention and domination. The only state role in the new West German economy was to protect the competitive environment from monopolistic or oligopolistic tendencies—including its own. The term "social" is stressed because West Germans wanted an economy that would not only help the wealthy but also care for the workers and others who might not prove able to cope with the strenuous competitive demands of a market economy. The term "social" was chosen rather than "socialist" to distinguish their system from those in which the state claimed the right to direct the economy or to intervene in it.
Beyond these principles of the social market economy, but linked to it, comes a more traditional German concept, that of Ordnung, which can be directly translated to mean order but which really means an economy, society, and policy that are structured but not dictatorial. The founders of the social market economy insisted that Denken in Ordnungen—to think in terms of systems of order—was essential. They also spoke of Ordo-Liberalismus because the essence of the concept is that this must be a freely chosen order, not a command order.
Over time, the term "social" in the social market economy began to take on a life of its own. It moved the West German economy toward an extensive social welfare system that has become one of the most expensive in the world. Moreover, the West German federal government and the states (Länder ; sing., Land ) began to compensate for irregularities in economic cycles and for shifts in world production by beginning to shelter and support some sectors and industries. In an even greater departure from the Erhard tradition, the government became an instrument for the preservation of existing industries rather than a force for renewal.[citation needed] In the 1970s, the state assumed an ever more important role in the economy. During the 1980s, Chancellor Helmut Kohl tried to reduce that state role, and he succeeded in part, but German unification again compelled the German government to assume a stronger role in the economy. Thus, the contradiction between the terms "social" and "market" has remained an element for debate in Germany.
Given the internal contradiction in its philosophy, the German economy is both conservative and dynamic. It is conservative in the sense that it draws on the part of the German tradition that envisages some state role in the economy and a cautious attitude toward investment and risk-taking.[citation needed] It is dynamic in the sense that it is directed toward growth—even if that growth may be slow and steady rather than spectacular. It tries to combine the virtues of a market system with the virtues of a social welfare system."
Pretty much what I have been advocating for on other threads.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Don't like those places? Don't shop there. Don't work there.
You convenietly ignore that in most town with stores like Walmart, smaller shops are driven out of business, and there IS nowhere else to shop.
"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"
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Magon, interesting information, I really appreciate it. But too many words for rappy. Makes his head hurt.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Don't like those places? Don't shop there. Don't work there.
You convenietly ignore that in most town with stores like Walmart, smaller shops are driven out of business, and there IS nowhere else to shop.
"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"
That's idiotic. I live in a town with a Wal-Mart, right down the street. There are smaller shops all over the place, of all sorts.
In fact, I seem to recall that a Super Wal-Mart is going to be built on a huge vacant lot. Bringing in jobs and tax revenue where none existed before. Looks likes a win / win / win to me.
" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "
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Ah, so your town is the only one that matters. Gotcha.
Tool.
"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"
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