Defying the Deity
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I got a kibitzing request to alter my definition of sanity to include the words "communicate anything inside your brain with other brains" on the theory that a serial killer may be able to communicate with others psychotically while keeping the thought "must gut the kids like rabbits" dancing in the back of his mind until he caves to it.
That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.
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Yeah, well that's pretty farfetched.
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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
DT, again some links can be useful.
I don't believe that someone would have no internal voice, but they have not understood that there are narratives played out in their mind. It's a bit like some people claiming they never dream. Everyone dreams, just some people don't remember them.
You see this in children, because they have no learned to internalise their dialogues, and it is fascinating to watch and listen. Of course we call it play, because we don't like to admit that we are constantly playing out dramas and fantasies in our minds the same as they do.
edited to make sense
Better than links of where I was a couple months ago, randomly surfing, girls gone wild notwithstanding, it might be a better idea to surf and come to your own conclusions.
I did run into this idea consistently: 10% of the people have no internal voice. I asked around and found this was true, I found 5 people out of 50 did not, and their basic feeling was "what's an internal voice" and "oh, that would be weird" and "doesn't that slow you down when you read?" and some really weird ones like "thoughts are pictures not words."
When I was a kid I had many internal voices. I think that you're right about dreams, and perhaps you could awaken the internal voices of those who have none, but they do not have them, it's not just awareness.
I find that it takes a fairly radical jarring of the neurochemistry of the brain to awaken dormant regions, and the changes can be striking and unsettling for the individual.
That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.
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Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
DT, again some links can be useful.
I don't believe that someone would have no internal voice, but they have not understood that there are narratives played out in their mind. It's a bit like some people claiming they never dream. Everyone dreams, just some people don't remember them.
You see this in children, because they have no learned to internalise their dialogues, and it is fascinating to watch and listen. Of course we call it play, because we don't like to admit that we are constantly playing out dramas and fantasies in our minds the same as they do.
edited to make sense
Better than links of where I was a couple months ago, randomly surfing, girls gone wild notwithstanding, it might be a better idea to surf and come to your own conclusions.
I did run into this idea consistently: 10% of the people have no internal voice. I asked around and found this was true, I found 5 people out of 50 did not, and their basic feeling was "what's an internal voice" and "oh, that would be weird" and "doesn't that slow you down when you read?" and some really weird ones like "thoughts are pictures not words."
When I was a kid I had many internal voices. I think that you're right about dreams, and perhaps you could awaken the internal voices of those who have none, but they do not have them, it's not just awareness.
I find that it takes a fairly radical jarring of the neurochemistry of the brain to awaken dormant regions, and the changes can be striking and unsettling for the individual.
That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.
Reading is an example of using an internal voice, unless these poor souls still have to vocalise to understand text. A lot of people are not very aware, but there will be voices and pictures too. Perhaps deaf people may be an exception. But it doesn't really matter how thought occurs, but a narrative will take place in people's heads. It may be as simple as "coke or juice?" but it will be there, unless they are in a vegetative state, and even then there is evidence that the 'monkey mind' will be still be active one way or another.
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That might be explained by the people who have picture thoughts, Magons.
Sometimes when I'm reading and I get really into it, the book plays before my mind like a tv episode. When I'm not that into it, I have a reading voice.
Maybe some of these are people who only have the visual version.
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"I don't see an either/or between introspection and pursuing God."
But only if that pursuit was through the bible?
What if I were to pursue god through Islam? Or Mithraism? Or Voodoo?
Not that I probably would do any of the above, but I don't find the bible to be a superior source of enlightenment. And it is after all only one of many, many beliefs that exist, have existed and will exist.
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"Sometimes when I'm reading and I get really into it, the book plays before my mind like a tv episode. When I'm not that into it, I have a reading voice."
I have done both as well. I remember getting a call while deeply involved in reading something and it was like waking up to a different reality. Perhaps it's a form of hypnosis.
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"I don't believe that someone would have no internal voice, but they have not understood that there are narratives played out in their mind."
Just today I was doing some routine labwork. I know that I was thinking things, b/c I once stopped to ask myself what was going through my head. But in general my thoughts passed through so lightly, so inconsequentially, that I have no memory of those internal conversations, except the one I stopped to notice.
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My sister has no narrative reading voice, which might be due to a brain abnormality, but the result is that she reads 2000 words a minute with 100% comprehension. Actually, I've tested her on it. She could respond by quoting the entirety of whatever you gave her to read, verbatim. She can't now, of course, because of the cancer.
Brains are funny things, i thought it was curious that we were not alike. I find I can't read faster than the narrative voice, I'm not sure if I need to hear the words internally, I suspect not, but the reading voice won't shut up, so I am stuck at its speed.
That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.
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