Zazzle removing Serenity products??
POSTED BY: Tiger
UPDATED: Saturday, September 18, 2004 17:53
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Well, I'm glad somebody got a shirt! I was so busy making designs and modifications of the posters for people that I didn't get to order one for myself!
I'll keep looking for another printer, but so far all those I've checked either have outrageous prices or the same type of C.Y.A. legal policies as Zazzle.
I'm sorry more people couldn't get a poster or shirt. It was fun making a contribution to Firefly/Serenity fandom, even if it was only for a week.
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Did Zazzle send you any kind of notice or explanation? If not, maybe (fingers crossed) it was just a glitch.
Okay, I'm fooling myself. Tiger, if you do find another printer, let us know. Zazzle hasn't cancelled my account yet, but I'm sure it's coming.
http://www.zazzle.com/contributors/products/gallery/browse_results.asp
?cid=238588809259917869
gojiro
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They didn't send me anything before my stuff disappeared, so I sent an email asking for an explanation and if there's anything I can change about the images to make them "zazzle-kosher". I'm still waiting to hear back.
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Tiger, um, what about seeing if Hell's Kitten can help? She's producing some mighty fine stuff too, perhaos she can include your designs too?
Sorry HK if I am putting you on the spot.
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Or perhaps Hell's Kitten could share where she gets her shirts done. I know I would be interested.
gojiro
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Does anybody know if the designs that were removed from Cafe Press are available anywhere else online? I absolutely adored them and they were removed JUST before I was ready to order. For the record: Cruddy things come to those who wait. =)
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Hey, kids (term of endearment, don't get tetchy 
) -
Quote:No worries.
Originally posted by britchick:
Tiger, um, what about seeing if Hell's Kitten can help? She's producing some mighty fine stuff too, perhaos she can include your designs too?
Sorry HK if I am putting you on the spot.
Zazzle and Cafe Press are removing these images because they blatantly infringe on the legal Rights Owners' stuff. It's right there in all those links to laws they have on their pages, in black and white, which is why I never considered going through them for my stuff. If you need help in translating that lawyer-speke, I'll be happy to oblige. For now, suffice it to say that you are very much infringing on both the Copyright & Trademark areas:
-you're using an actor's image
-you're using material from a show wholly owned by someone else
-you're creating you're "new" image using material that is wholly owned by someone else
-you're producing material related to a movie which could be confused with licensed material (because you're stuff looks that damn good)
All without permission. And you're selling it. That's the worst part: Rights Owners bow to the Almighty Dollar, and they're not gettin any play from what you're selling. If you made this stuff for yourself and maybe a few friends, there's not a whole lot anyone could do to you. But here, with Zazzle & Cafe Press, you're publicly marketing it. (Trust me, I have friends who've gotten plenty of "Cease & Desist" letters from big-ass corporations.)
Now, TIGER and GOJIRO, as far as still getting your stuff made (especially posters cuz those were fantastic!), well... I can always check with my Printer Man and see what he can do. Just drop me a line or smoke signals or whatever.
(If you haven't seen the shirt thread, go here: http://fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=13&t=6488 )
So now I have a question for all y'all who've gotten shirts and whatnot from Cafe Press or Zazzle: HOW is the image printed? I mean... is it an iron-on transfer or silk-screened or what?? I can't find any information on either website about this, and I wasn't about to give them good money for something I can make myself. Any information you could give me would be considered a kindness.
Cheery bye.
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Well, I can see how the legal issue might arise if you are using someone else's content...kind of why I have hedged from posting my Wallpaper images so far. My other work however is either 100% made by me (such as the TG Freight) or altered in such a way, that it does not resemble the original (such as the shuttle being "posterized" on the Inara t-shirt). I do think however, that if you want your work on a t-shirt for "yourself", you can put it in the Private section and then it doesn't matter...of course if you order 100 of 'em, they might get a bit tetchy.
But in case I am wrong, as of right now, my Tenth Crew Member Collection (little that it is) is still available
[url] http://www.zazzle.com/contributors/products/gallery/browse_results.asp
?cid=238479146958815760
I guess the phrase, "get 'em while they last" actually may apply...
TCM
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Quote:I dropped you a line through your profile page here, but I know it doesn't work for everybody. I'm interested in your offer. contact me at thedeltafactor at gmail dot com
Originally posted by Hell's Kitten:
Now, TIGER and GOJIRO, as far as still getting your stuff made (especially posters cuz those were fantastic!), well... I can always check with my Printer Man and see what he can do. Just drop me a line or smoke signals or whatever.
Thanks!
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Quote:
Originally posted by Tiger:Quote:I dropped you a line through your profile page here, but I know it doesn't work for everybody. I'm interested in your offer. contact me at thedeltafactor at gmail dot com
Originally posted by Hell's Kitten:
Now, TIGER and GOJIRO, as far as still getting your stuff made (especially posters cuz those were fantastic!), well... I can always check with my Printer Man and see what he can do. Just drop me a line or smoke signals or whatever.
Thanks!
<--- smoke signalI'm interested in learning more. Email me at gojiro42 at mac dot com, if you have a moment.
Thanks!
gojiro
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