Would Zoe be a good mother?
POSTED BY: Bytemite
UPDATED: Sunday, December 11, 2011 16:00
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Child-proofing Serenity, on the other hand...
Yikes!
But really funny to imagine... Is Mal going to do this in your story? Because I have this image of his mind breaking when he realizes there's going to be a KID on his ship, and running around in a panic with a hammer, and Kaylee crying, and Inara trying to talk some sense into this mad-man who was formerly the ship's captain.
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Well, my days of not caring about other people's opinions of me is certainly coming to a middle.
What are you talking about? This has nothing to do with my opinion of you. I don't even know you. I've never seen you around here before now.
That was a signature line, not in the body of the comment. I am trying a couple of new ones, whaddya think?
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Even if you don't have a child, your CELLS DIVIDE. If they didn't you would die very quickly.
That's really not how cells in a multicellular organism work. A cell that does not stop dividing in a multicellular organism is called "cancer." Or "stem cells." Or "bacteria" (we're not exactly homogenously human).
Also, you're the one who said "All humans have the drive to procreate" and then you also said "procreation is making babies" and "humans aren't asexual."
Bacteria multiply. Viruses use your own cells for a mitosis engine, to replicate themselves. Cancer spreads, and is genetically disparate from the cells around it.
Stem Cells are genetic prototypes, that can adapt into other cell formats, but stem cells do multiply. Skin, Muscle, Bone, connective tissue, lung, blood vessel, gastronomic and every other cell format... DIVIDES.
I know my biology.
Procreation IS replication, both on a cellular level, and on a whole-organism level. Cells are alive, just as the organism they are arranged to build, is alive. Reproduction is a function of BOTH.
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Procreation is a strictly cooperative, hetero (as in different genders) sexual (as in half-DNA re-combinant reproduction) biological function, and it IS a biological drive. That isn't an opinion, that is science, and just flat truth.
Without a biological drive to reproduce ingrained in people as a rule, (which Pax diminishes and eliminates, evidently) humans DIE OUT, as a civilization and as a species. Maybe there are individual people who are exceptions, but Zoe wouldn't be one, by her comments which define this discussion.
Humans are not asexual self-replicating organisms, and same-sex pairings biologically can't reproduce... so having, as in CREATING a CHILD is distinctly "heterocentric."
(Each paragraph has a sentence that is false. The first paragraph has two. The second paragraph might also have two, depending on whether certain technology has been tested successfully)
It's not an argument about whether cells divide or whether species replace deaths to avoid extinction. It's an argument about whether All humans have a drive to procreate (make BABIES), and you knew full well when you first said it that you weren't talking about on a cellular level, and you weren't talking about on a species level.
The Pax didn't stop their CELLS from dividing. The Pax didn't kill off the entire human species, just the ones on Miranda. And the Pax is certainly not MY issue.
Much appreciated if you'd stop bringing the Pax up, because that's particularly offensive.
The definition of life is what it is.
As to Pax.
A: Pax isn't real, it is an example of what I am discussing, in the Firefly 'verse. I am not associating Pax with you, I am talking about relating my points to the 'verse, as an extreme example on a macro scale, of flouting nature for another reason... that one being political, and by flouting nature on a wide scale... destroying it.
It didn't spread, because the planet was quarantined, and it was an environmental cause, not a contagion.
B: My discussion is not inappropriate, so your offense taken is not my issue, it is yours.
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Just because you feel a certain way, does not negate the obvious, demonstrable, provable in biology and sociology, and readily apparent drive to procreate in Humans, as well as any other species. Humans just happen to be sentient enough to control or even defy thNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Soo...a top 3% highly trained male trauma surgeon and a quick get away mechanic now become babysitters? Gosh, I only had the neighbor down the street watching mine because she was on maternity leave, herself.
Seriously, I can see Inara (she watched River for Simon a few times) and she's the only one who is staying whose role isn't clearly defined, so I'll give you some wiggle room there, but the others have jobs to do, they're getting paid, like Mal says everyone's got to pull their own weight.
Like I said, not very realistic in the context of life on Serenity.
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Not really a medical issue, but...
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Bacteria multiply. Viruses use your own cells for a mitosis engine, to replicate themselves. Cancer spreads, and is genetically disparate from the cells around it.
Stem Cells are genetic prototypes, that can adapt into other cell formats, but stem cells do multiply. Skin, Muscle, Bone, connective tissue, lung, blood vessel, gastronomic and every other cell format... DIVIDES.
Nope, there are neurons that don't divide. Also heart cells. Cancer is a cellular dysfunction, not a new species.
Bacteria you're right about, virus are as ever questionable and dubious (scientists aren't sure if it counts as reproduction if they can't use their own mechanisms to do so, and I wouldn't really call what they do mitosis, though replication is correct).
A "drive" is generally understood to be a "feeling, urge, or compulsion," which cells and viruses do not really have. They are governed by clockwork, by intake and outtake, they do not think or feel or want.
It is inaccurate to say all human cells divide or have a DRIVE to divide, just as it is inaccurate to say all humans have a drive to procreate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalization
"Generalizations posit the existence of a domain or set of elements, as well as one or more common characteristics shared by those elements. As such, it is the essential basis of all valid deductive inferences. The process of verification is necessary to determine whether a generalization holds true for any given situation."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsifiability
If a statement is Falsifiable, it means that observation or experiment will produce a reproducible result that is in conflict with it.
"For example, the assertion that "all swans are white" is falsifiable, because it is logically possible that a swan can be found which is not white."
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I have medical issues myself, and I don't treat them as a cause to be offended by what others say, nor do I think myself less than, or other than Human, by having medical issues.
I think neither of us really want to be arguing about this. I know you didn't call me not human. The problem is the logical progression and implication, but I know that's not something you intended, nor is it your fault. And I'm guilty of keeping this going - which I will try not to do on your next response.
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Platonist: Well, on the other hand, if you're going to have a kid watched, a trained medical doctor is perhaps not the worst choice to have on hand.
Though, I suspect that there are certain aspects of it that Simon would fail completely at. Such as changing diapers, or not upsetting the baby, or being able to calm the baby down after upsetting it.
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I think the question is: Why would Simon AGREE to watch a baby?
Would watching the baby become an assignment from Mal, like cooking, cleaning? I'm not sure the crew signed on for babysitting.
Post BDM, it's "Three Men, a Baby and a Spaceship"
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Why would Simon AGREE to watch a baby?
Probably wouldn't.
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Would watching the baby become an assignment from Mal, like cooking, cleaning? I'm not sure the crew signed on for babysitting.
But it sure would be funny. Especially if Mal tried to assign babysitting, and everyone just walked out and left him to deal with her.
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First of all, let me preface this by repeating what I said earlier: I do not see this happening in the context of The Show As It Stands. I see these things as POSSIBLE in a situation of the Show Having Evolved, along the lines of what I outlined in an earlier posting.
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would Simon AGREE to watch a baby?
He'd hardly be the first "over-qualified" person to take on the job of watching kids, if he did. What's the hang up? Is he too high and mighty to babysit?
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Would watching the baby become an assignment from Mal, like cooking, cleaning? I'm not sure the crew signed on for babysitting.
Why not? The crew didn't sign on to do septic vac duty, either, and yet they do. The crew of Serenity run a household together, and whatever jobs need to be done to run that household, will get done.
(*resisting the temptation to personalize this, keeping it to a discussion of Firefly characters*)
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Of course Zoe would make a good mother. She's had years of practice with Mal.
"Whatever is wrong with you is so right for me." -- Marillion.
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Why not? The crew didn't sign on to do septic vac duty, either, and yet they do. The crew of Serenity run a household together, and whatever jobs need to be done to run that household, will get done.
Can I move in with you??! 'Cause I've been trying to get that across ta this household for a while and it's...just...not...coming.
To Karel....
Aye, right on
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