The fate of the world
POSTED BY: WashsYoungerSexierBr
UPDATED: Friday, December 2, 2011 15:17
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Besides, history works in cycles, generally, we've been here before, remember.
Yup. Even if history doesn't exactly repeat, it hums the same tune, and most of the words still rhyme...
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The protesters will remain nonviolent and let the police be the brutal ones, because every blow struck by a cop with his nightstick becomes multiplied back on the police a thousandfold as opinions swing against them.
Every attempt to silence the Occupy movement only gives us a greater voice. Every blow against us gives us strength. Every one of us hauled off to jail brings new recruits.
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You know, I wasn't aware of any "sucking up to the police" has been done by the various Occupy groups. There have been attempts to work with the police, to liase with them, to come to some kind of compromise, but you'll have to give specifics on "sucking up" for me to respond.
Mike, what's with this "us" bit? Are you one of us? If so, which group do you belong to, and what are yo up to? You can respond via email if you'd prefer. You are certainly one of the 99% we hope to represent, but unless you're actively involved, you're not part of Occupy. No offense intended, I'm just curious and would love to know that at least one other person here, for all the bitching and moaning we always do, has the courage to become involved. Besides me, that is. ;o)
As to your post in general, absolutely. We have "teach ins" to teach people how to deal with this stuff, how to keep yourself safe, what to do if you don't want to be arrested, how to interact with the police, etc., and in our group at least, nonviolence is the ONLY way civil disobedience is to be practiced.
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This is what I could find about it.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/sexual-assaults-occupy-wall-street-camps/stor
y?id=14873014
Nothing about police perpetrating the acts, but, well, they drag people off to alleys to beat them up... And then there's the recommendation to notify police versus the police not being quick to respond to those calls. I suppose I do find it a little strange to be asking police for help considering the confrontations in recent days.
I suppose I'd also have to see DT's evidence, though I'm not ruling it out at this point.
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I'm also not aware of any Occupy camp which has requested any kind of police protection or any aid from the police. Most of them know the score at this point--especially when medical help has been kept out by the police in numerous places!
The article talks about INFORMING the police (which is legally what they're supposed to do) and COOPERATING with police regarding sexual assaults, but I don't consider any of those as "sucking up" to them.
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Ultimately whether or not that's "sucking up" depends on whether or not it actually ends up compromising the safety of the victims. I can't say one way or the other at the moment.
I'm not sure why you'd trust police SOP on this kind of thing, though, when they're trying to screw you over in so many other ways. And it's not like you're not already fighting the law.
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Hello,
A nonviolent protest movement is not equipped to respond to sexual assault situations.
--Anthony
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"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner
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Perhaps. Again, it depends on whether the police actually DOES respond to the call, and in some places, they haven't been. That gives the movement little recourse BUT to respond to the situation. Or at least to take preventative steps, or remove offenders from their midst if the police won't help.
And a revolution can and should be able to respond to such a situation if it is to be considered a legitimate alternative.
It is up to OWS what they want to be, but it's very difficult to stand up to the hand that's feeding you while you're still dependent on it.
Just throwing stuff out there for people to think about.
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Hello,
Let me say it again with appropriate emphasis.
A nonviolent protest movement is not equipped to handle sexual assault situations. They have no power to intervene, no power to investigate, no power to seize subjects, no power to judge, and no power to punish.
Occupy has zero alternatives to dealing with sex crimes in its current incarnation. They are absolutely dependent upon the police if any serious crime occurs and they want to deal with it.
How they evolve to deal with it, or fail to do so, will say much about them. I anticipate one of three possibilities. 1) They will continue to rely on the police, just as all nonviolent people do. 2) A caste will rise up amongst them for the purpose of handling the violence that the rest abhor. 3) They will accept violence, and equip themselves to the purpose, at least for defense.
--Anthony
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"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner
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