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Why Obama Should Take Out Iran's Nuclear Program

POSTED BY: canttakesky
UPDATED: Tuesday, July 28, 2026 18:31
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Thursday, November 17, 2011 1:58 AM

Hello,

An interesting question. Israel is certainly glad to have all the help it can get. But is their resolve to stand alone impacted by their small size? I say yes, and I say it makes them MORE resolved to stand alone if necessary. In their viewpoint, they are not big enough to sustain damage or waste time in the interests of good diplomacy and fair play. Just look at their week-long war, where they fought multiple nations single-handedly in a bid to survive. They did not seek approval before unleashing all the hell they could muster.

The proverbial cornered rat, they would welcome help, surely... but they would not wait for help when fighting for their lives. Anyone standing between them and survival is apt to be shredded. Even 'friends.'

While I appreciate their viewpoint, I do not always agree with their actions, and I will never consider them a reliable ally. I think we would be best served to loosen our ties to them, because their best interests and our best judgment will inevitably collide.

--Anthony


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Thursday, November 17, 2011 5:03 AM

Hello,

This is what I mean, Riona. Below are photographs of Israeli expediency. For roughly two hours, they accidentally attacked a U.S. Navy vessel in International waters over and over and over and over after putting it under surveillence for several hours and failing to identify it. 34 sailors died and 170 were wounded.

http://www.gtr5.com/photos_after.htm

I am sure they had their reasons.

The U.S. is no stranger to expediency, of course. It was deemed politically expedient to accept the story that this was a mistake. The crew of this ship was dishonored by their own government. After being left to die, they defied expectations and limped back to join the fleet. They were then ordered into silence as the nation embraced a lie and they buried their comrades.

--Anthony

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"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner

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Thursday, November 17, 2011 4:33 PM

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Originally posted by RionaEire:
Interesting theory Anthony. What about how little they are population/geographically, does that dampen their resolve to stand alone ever?

It's not really a theory. It is common knowledge. They were abandoned during the Holocaust. They know they can't count on anyone but themselves. And they, in turn, do not have loyalties for anyone but themselves.

Read what Anthony linked to about the USS Liberty. They killed our boys in cold blood, cause it suited them.

Our relationship with Israel is kind of like some old guy's relationship with a pretty young gold-digger who abuses the partner AND the kids. It is dysfunctional and stupid.



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Thursday, November 17, 2011 5:00 PM

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Originally posted by canttakesky:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Motive for what ?

Motive for the crime, silly. Motive for murdering scientists in cold blood.

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So, are we talking false flag sort of hit ? Or anyone from another country, risking that much involvement, and actually believing that the killing of 1 scientist will impact the entire nuclear program.

It could possibly be random. Or a personal grudge having nothing to do with them being a scientist.
Or it could be some radicals, inside Iran, trying to topple their govt.
Or it could be Israeli operatives. Or it could be some other country....





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Thursday, November 17, 2011 7:12 PM

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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
Hello,

This is what I mean, Riona. Below are photographs of Israeli expediency. For roughly two hours, they accidentally attacked a U.S. Navy vessel in International waters over and over and over and over after putting it under surveillence for several hours and failing to identify it. 34 sailors died and 170 were wounded.

http://www.gtr5.com/photos_after.htm

I am sure they had their reasons.

The U.S. is no stranger to expediency, of course. It was deemed politically expedient to accept the story that this was a mistake. The crew of this ship was dishonored by their own government. After being left to die, they defied expectations and limped back to join the fleet. They were then ordered into silence as the nation embraced a lie and they buried their comrades.

--Anthony

_______________________________________________

"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner





The symbolic irony is not lost on me, either - Israel repeatedly attacking Liberty. Go figure. ;)

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Thursday, November 17, 2011 7:24 PM

Hello,

An equally telling irony?

The U.S. President refusing to aid Liberty, and hoping that Liberty will die.

Then, when it doesn't die? Silencing Liberty and selling it for Scrap.

It's a good fable for the decline of America.

--Anthony


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"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner

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Thursday, November 17, 2011 10:10 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
... and actually believing that the killing of 1 scientist will impact the entire nuclear program.

Actually, it was 4 scientists. And yes, 4 scientists can pause or slow down the program enough to allow some other kind of strike.

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Tuesday, July 28, 2026 6:31 PM

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I have questions for our friend michaelgwaltz about the U.S.-Saudi nuclear agreement.

According to reports, there is a two-year feasibility study alongside the 123 to assess putting U.S. uranium enrichment in KSA. There also will not be the strongest safeguards in place, the IAEA’s Additional Protocol, to ensure the IAEA can detect a military nuclear program. Other countries will line up for similar treatment or pursue their own enrichment and reprocessing capabilities, understanding it provides a means to fuel nuclear weapons.

If this boils down to we must put an enrichment plant in KSA or else they’ve threatened to buy reactors and seek enrichment from China or Russia, why haven’t we instead reminded the Saudis of all the U.S. defense assistance they stand to lose if they don’t choose American and agree to forgo enrichment and reprocessing like the UAE has?

We should do much better than these reported terms, which also make it harder to keep Iran from claiming a need to enrich.

U.S. policy must be no new enrichment for friends or foes alike.

https://x.com/StrickerNonpro/status/2081460762510557594#m

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