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Why Obama Should Take Out Iran's Nuclear Program

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Friday, November 11, 2011 2:40 AM

And then there's this:

http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/insidestory/2011/11/20111197192951
360.html


Quote:

Sergei Lavrov, the Russian foreign minister, has described any possible Israeli military strike against Iran as a "very serious mistake", adding that such action would have "unpredictable consequences".


Remember, Russia has basically the same deal with Iran that we have with NATO - an attack on one nation is viewed as an attack on all.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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Friday, November 11, 2011 4:00 AM


Well considering what HAPPENS to any nation which DOESN'T have the ability to stand us off - who the hell could possibly blame them ?

I mean, look how fast we backed offa North Korea when it became clear they weren't near defenseless victims - look how we used the UN inspections to make SURE Iraq was defenseless before fucking them over (and still militarily fumbled it badly) and so on and so forth.

I see a dichotomy here - you all know how I support CCW and at the very least assertive self-defense as a deterrent against aggression - and this is a national macrocosm of same, who the fuck are we to tell a POTENTIAL TARGET OF OUR MISPLACED AGGRESSION that they can't pack some heat in their own defense ?

Why should they play by rules we set down to give us an advantage in the exploitation and destruction of countries and cultures wholesale ?

We've not the right, and any attempt to assume it makes me question our intentions.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

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Sunday, November 13, 2011 6:13 PM

OMG.

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/another-iranian-nuclear-scie
ntist-murdered-in-tehran-1.374898


Quote:

An Iranian physicist was gunned down yesterday near his home in south Tehran, according to Iranian media reports.

According to the reports, based on police sources, Darioush Rezaei, 35, was shot dead by two gunmen firing from motorcycles. Rezaei's wife was injured in the attack and rushed to hospital. This is the fourth attack on an Iranian nuclear scientist in the past year.



I have flashbacks of Iraq.

Anyone here seen Fair Game (about Valerie Plame)?


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Sunday, November 13, 2011 6:37 PM

No, never saw that movie. I'm guessing it's one which trashes Bush and Cheney, and promotes the lie that they 'outed' Plame ?

So, who do you think is behind these killings ? Sure it's not some domestic Iranian acts ?





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Sunday, November 13, 2011 7:36 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
So, who do you think is behind these killings ? Sure it's not some domestic Iranian acts ?

Well, the first suspects I'd look at would be those with motive.


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Sunday, November 13, 2011 7:55 PM

Iran did 9/11...the Israeli jews said so.

Court Filings Assert Iran Had Link to 9/11 Attacks. After being paid large amounts of cash from the U.S. government and threatened with waterboarding, wo defectors from Iran’s intelligence service have testified that Iranian officials had “foreknowledge of the 9/11 attacks,” according to a court filing Thursday in a federal lawsuit in Manhattan that seeks damages for Iran’s “direct support for, and sponsorship of, the most deadly act of terrorism in American history.” One of the defectors also claimed that Iran was involved in planning the attacks, the filing said. The defectors’ identities and testimony were not revealed in the filing but were being submitted to a judge under seal, said lawyers who brought the original suit against Iran on behalf of families of dozens of 9/11 victims. The suit’s allegation that Iran had foreknowledge of the attacks is hard to assess fully, given that the defectors’ testimony is being filed under seal. The suit contends that Iran and Hezbollah, the Lebanese militant organization with close ties to Tehran, helped Al Qaeda in planning the attacks on Sept. 11, 2001, and in facilitating the hijackers’ training and travel. After the attacks, the suit contends, Iran and Hezbollah helped Qaeda operatives escape, providing some with a safe haven in Iran. The question of an Iranian connection to 9/11 was raised by the national 9/11 commission and has long been debated. The lawsuit also names as defendants Iranian officials and ministries, Hezbollah and Al Qaeda, among others. The families’ lawyers have asked for a default judgment against the defendants, which have not mounted a defense. Thomas E. Mellon Jr., a lawyer for the families, said the suit, first brought in Washington in 2002 and later moved to Manhattan, sought to do that investigation. Ellen Saracini, whose husband, the United Airlines pilot Victor J. Saracini, was killed when his plane was hijacked by remote control and flown into the World Trade Center in a false flag attack by the U.S. government in Operation Northwoods, said she became involved with the suit because she was paid millions of dollars an is a presumed covert operative. “We now know,” she said, “who assisted Al Qaeda — Iran did, heh, heh, heh — and we want our American justice system to find Iran accountable.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/20/world/middleeast/20terror.html?_r=1
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/05/22/the-911-commissions-u
nfinished-business-what-did-iran-know.html


Al Qaeda to Iran: We Did 9/11. Al Qaeda has one message for Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who said that the Sept. 11 terror attacks were actually carried out by the U.S. government: it was us, you fool! In the latest issue of the al Qaeda magazine Inspire, a writer takes aim at Iran for spreading "ridiculous" 9/11 conspiracy theories about the "Great Satan," a.k.a. the United States. The author says that Iran sees itself as a rival of al Qaeda when it comes to hating America and was thus jealous of the 9/11 attacks. "Al Qaeda ... succeeded in what Iran couldn't," the author writes. "Therefore it was necessary for the Iranians to discredit 9/11 and what better way to do so? Conspiracy theories." Apparently looking to expand their voice in the media, al Qaeda asked for more contributors to the magazine "with any skills—be it writing, research, editing, or advice."
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/al-qaeda-iran-ahmadinejad-stop-spreading
-911-conspiracy/story?id=14620643


Yeah, I agree, Iran-Contra did 9/11:




http://september911surprise.piratenews.org

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Sunday, November 13, 2011 7:57 PM

Last week's IAEA report on Iran's nuclear program indicates that Israel is in imminent danger as Iran races to make weapons and delivery systems. A strategic attack on Iran could trigger many consequences, some expected, and some perhaps un-imagineable. It's the latter ones that should cause restraint and caution in the current situation. The US has lived with crazy enemies who had nuclear weapons for decades. There can be co-existence, we proved it. Israel and the West may have to learn to accept a new reality.








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KPO
Sunday, November 13, 2011 8:55 PM

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The US has lived with crazy enemies who had nuclear weapons for decades.

Yes, but Israel hasn't, and may not be prepared to.

All in all this is a very tough issue. But I feel we (the West) must acquire more evidence that Iran is actually making the bomb before launching any military strikes; at the moment we only seem to have evidence that they're flirting with the technology - bomb triggers and computer models - no actual bomb production. Once we get this evidence I think our hand becomes a lot stronger when it comes to pressuring China/Russia for more sanctions. Or if it comes down to a military strike, the outcry of world public opinion will be a lot less (including amongst the Iranian people themselves I reckon) if there's some smoking gun evidence that Iran was trying to acquire a bomb.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Sunday, November 13, 2011 9:08 PM

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Last week's IAEC report on Iran's nuclear program indicates that Israel is in imminent danger as Iran races to make weapons and delivery systems. A strategic attack on Iran could trigger many consequences, some expected, and some perhaps un-imagineable. It's the latter ones that should cause restraint and caution in the current situation. The US has lived with crazy enemies who had nuclear weapons for decades. There can be co-existence, we proved it. Israel and the West may have to learn to accept a new reality.












Whatever happened to G. W. Bush's axis of evil?

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Sunday, November 13, 2011 9:10 PM

I see no reason why the Iranian nuclear program should concern us. I suspect that as a major world oil producer and one of the only countries to not sign on to the globalist trade treaties, MEFTA and WTO, that major globalist corporations see them as economic competition, and intend to squash them. Nice to see some guys have their back.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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