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Herman Cain: The Buffoon Strikes Again

POSTED BY: Niki2
UPDATED: Thursday, November 17, 2011 14:45
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KWICKO

Sunday, October 30, 2011 2:39 PM

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I unlike Niki choose to praise successful blacks...

Really? I've never once heard you praise President Obama.

I hear you praising Cain for "telling it like it is" and telling "the harsh truth", but I don't really hear you admitting that he benefited from the same affirmative action policies that he now decries. I guess for a poor black kid trying to make it, those were good policies, but now that he's "made it", he doesn't see the need to extend a hand to those who are still struggling.

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I suppose one out of ten black men being in prison seems normal to you.

It certainly doesn't seem "normal" to me, especially when black men are imprisoned at a much higher rate than whites FOR THE SAME CRIMES. You seem to see it as indicative of blacks just being more "criminal" by nature, and I see it as a strong indicator of the racial bias and imbalance still ruling the "justice" (HA!) system.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

NIKI2

Sunday, October 30, 2011 4:33 PM

I assume it was Kirk who wrote all that? I don't bother reading, I know what to expect, and that was about right. It's always just bullshit anyway. So I don't praise successful blacks, eh? Hee, hee, hee. Thing is I admire successful PEOPLE, I don't care what their skin color is. That's the difference between us.

I have nothing against Cain having been successful, any more than anyone else. All I know of him is a bit of his background and what comes out of his mouth, and what comes out of his mouth is what I judge by--and that makes him a buffoon (not my choice of words, either, title of the article). I heard him cracking that if someone asked him the name of the President of "uzbekistanistan" or somesuch idiocy, he'd say he didn't know, he had "people" for that sort of thing. That right there is quite enough for me.

KPO, he doesn't "get to us" (you I DO read). You guys said the same thing about Palin, and it was equally ridiculous. We laughed at her, now we're laughing at him, because both of them have made fools of themselves in much the same ways. See, we'd really like some sort of LEGITIMATE candidate on the right, and thus far, there ain't any. The choices are either people it's not worth paying attention to or buffoons like Bachman, Perry, Cain, etc., who are nothing but jokes. That IS my choice of words.

KPO

Sunday, October 30, 2011 7:07 PM

Whatever your words Niki my issue is with the words of the article.

Yes I did go after Sarah Palin a lot, but it was never personal, I tended to just laugh at her and express hope that she would run for president. At the same time some of the treatment she and her family got from other liberals made me feel like Jon Stewart: "Stop making me feel sorry for the Palins!"

And similar with this article on Cain:

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Uncle Tom Cain has to realize that he will never be president

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I also notice he is ashamed of the fact he is even black

Why this race-traitor bullshit? A black man can be a conservative, or even a tea-partier if he wants to. And conservatives can support a black candidates for reasons other than wanting a 'token' black candidates for appearances. As I say it seems ugly and small-minded to me.

It's not personal. It's just war.

NIKI2

Sunday, October 30, 2011 7:41 PM

You're right, it is. I didn't agree with all of it, but some of it was very right on, in my opinion. NOT the stuff you mentioned, tho' it seems to me he's either ashamed he's black, jealous of not being white, totally ignorant or a liar. Racism doesn't keep anyone from getting ahead in this country? That's so far beyond a joke it's not even worth...well, anything! And if you don't have a job, blame yourself? It seems to me like he's deliberately targeting black people with both those statements.

KPO

Sunday, October 30, 2011 8:18 PM

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Racism doesn't keep anyone from getting ahead in this country?

*Shrug* That's the right-wing line.

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It seems to me like he's deliberately targeting black people with both those statements.

Well I hope not. I think he gets asked a lot of questions about the black community, being black himself.

It's not personal. It's just war.

KWICKO

Sunday, October 30, 2011 10:52 PM

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Originally posted by kpo:
Whatever your words Niki my issue is with the words of the article.

Yes I did go after Sarah Palin a lot, but it was never personal, I tended to just laugh at her and express hope that she would run for president. At the same time some of the treatment she and her family got from other liberals made me feel like Jon Stewart: "Stop making me feel sorry for the Palins!"

And similar with this article on Cain:

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Uncle Tom Cain has to realize that he will never be president

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I also notice he is ashamed of the fact he is even black

Why this race-traitor bullshit? A black man can be a conservative, or even a tea-partier if he wants to. And conservatives can support a black candidates for reasons other than wanting a 'token' black candidates for appearances. As I say it seems ugly and small-minded to me.

It's not personal. It's just war.

Exactly.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

KWICKO

Sunday, October 30, 2011 10:55 PM

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Originally posted by kpo:
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Racism doesn't keep anyone from getting ahead in this country?

*Shrug* That's the right-wing line.

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It seems to me like he's deliberately targeting black people with both those statements.

Well I hope not. I think he gets asked a lot of questions about the black community, being black himself.

It's not personal. It's just war.

And to be sure, Cain doesn't help himself when he supports affirmative action programs (which he benefited from as well) and then claims that there's no real racism. He also doesn't help himself when he claims that Planned Parenthood is all about "killing black babies".

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

RIONAEIRE

Wednesday, November 2, 2011 6:15 AM

If I hear one more Uncle Tom reference ...
Arrrg.

My problem with Cane is that he seems somewhat uneducated about the issues and he lacks articulation skills. I'm tired of inarticulate presidents, he seems like one who would have to look at the telepromptor all the time and I'm tired of that. Where are the orators? I think they've all gone the way of the Laviathan or the mammoth.

If people kept asking me questions that had a "perscribed" answer and they called me mean names when I didn't give the answer they wanted I'd get pretty fed up.

Small example that isn't perfect, but hey we'll go with it. I'm visually impaired, was born that way, will die that way. Guidedogs are something that lots of visually impaired people like having and like to take everywhere with them. If people asked me questions about that all the time with the assumption that I think everyone should be able to take their dogs, certified, unofficially trained, whatever, everywhere all the time I probably wouldn't give the answer they're looking for because animals near me freak me out, anxiety disorder trigger etc. So I'm not all gung ho about dogs all over. I support the rule that dogs are allowed everywhere if they are certified service animals and the person needs them in order to do the things they need/want to do in life, but I'm opposed to fudging the rules for "Oh I trained him myself but I haven't gotten around to registering him yet, he's really sweet" dogs. So my experiences in life have a hand in how I feel about certain issues which other people in my situation have different opinions on than me. I'm an exception, I'm an individual.

I'm not trying to compare Cane and I directly because the situation he is asked about is way more important, but we are similar in that we both have opinions based on how we experience the world around us. Apparently he feels this way, whether its true or not is another matter. But I don't like chunking people into boxes of how they _should feel because they are (fill in the blank).

Now, if he were more articulate he might be able to pull off stating his opinion without ruffling feathers, that's the art of diplomacy and articulation at work, he doesn't have mastery of this art, or even proficiency of it.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, November 2, 2011 9:58 AM

If there were the level of racism the civil rights warlords like Jessie and Al would have us believe, there's no way folks like Herman, Justice Thomas or Condie Rice could achieve to anywhere near the degree they have.

Herman, once again, is right. Those who'd love nothing more than to dismiss him, out of hand, simply because he disrupts their precious world view, are clinging a forgotten time, simply because such views allow them to have power over individuals.

That time is over.

" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

KWICKO

Wednesday, November 2, 2011 11:34 AM

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Those who'd love nothing more than to dismiss him, out of hand, simply because he disrupts their precious world view, are clinging a forgotten time, simply because such views allow them to have power over individuals.

Does that "precious world view" and "forgotten time" that Cain is living in include sexually harassing coworkers as a form of having "power over individuals"?

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill