Why Firefly deserved to die
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UPDATED: Thursday, December 19, 2024 02:34
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Originally posted by Gaheris:
Now for my Defense
Aye. System of planets = Galaxy. Galaxy= big. still lots of distance.
Jeeze, still wrong. Structure of macroscopic universe is as follows...in a nutshell:
planets orbiting stars
star systems (ie. Sol = Solar system)
globular clusters (clusters of stars, not always present)
galaxy (Milky Way ~100 billion stars, ~80,000 light years wide, big)
local groups (20-50 galaxies, BIG)
local superclusters (several local groups, BIIGGGG)
universe (fooking HUGE).
To cross our Milky Way galaxy it would take 80,000 years if you were traveling at the speed of light. System of planets (not equal) galaxy.
Good points on your other items tho.
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As far as 100 rounds in a gun being unrealistic...hardly.
The amount of energy a slug (or any moving object for that matter) has is proportional to it's mass (m) and muzzle velocity (V) squared:
E=0.5mV^2
In fact, the amount of energy a slug has is more sensitive to the muzzle velocity (squared) than the mass). You can make a small deadly bullet by giving it large velocities. I'm sure there's technology in the world of Firefly to provide a sufficient propellant (ie. gun powder).
Sorry, too much physics in this post. 
Point is, again, if they could colonize all these planets and any Joe Blow off the street can buy a ship, certainly they could have better projectile weapons than inefficient, yet reliable, six shooters. Especially since they just came out of a civil war and weapons should be floating all over the black market. Hell, everyone carries a weapon, so they must be plentiful.
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Originally posted by YeAhItSme:
look at how easy it is to ship things around the planet today...are all the country have the latest technology in everything? NO! So I don't see why it would be different in the future when human has colonised many planet!
Totally different. The correct analogy would be if the U.S. were the only country on the planet and we suddenly discovered the rest of the planet uninhabited and colonized it....Would that colony have new technology and access to it? Probably.
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Hmmm,
Had FOX on in the background all night and have not seen one ad for Firefly. Plenty for John Doe though. At least in the past they would promo J.D. by saying after a new Firefly and sometimes even show a Firefly clip.
Joss has even said the December ratings really matter. It's a shame That his show is on a network that doesn't seem to care at all anymore.
Damn, I really love this show. In the off weeks I downloaded the pilot and the first few eps that I haven't seen since the start because I was not recording them back then.
It really is a shame we most likely only will get a few more but I am looking forward to seeing the reworked pilot as I really enjoyed the one floating around on the net.
Speaking of the pilot my Kaylee gets shot. So I would guess that Simon, River, and Inara are the only ones not to have gotten shot at some point. Even though we haven't seen Jayne, Zoe, or Wash get shot they all probably have due to their past except maybe for Wash. But who knows. Any thoughts?
Do you have anything worth dying for?
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O...k... Sufficient propellent to launch a projectile which would be small enough to holster and plentiful enough to load 100. 1. The propellant would take up more space than the bullets. 2. Manufacturing these and making them ubiquitous would be a pain, especially in the wake of a civil war. 3. Enough powder/propellan/rocket fuel/whatever to propel a small bullet the range/power it would take to be decently effective would shatter the gun with one shot and send shrapnel flying at high speeds to impale the holder of the gun. That's what happens when pure theoretical physics meets engineering. Yes. A time machine is feasible. Get an infinitely long tube with reverse gravity and a way to spin it infinitely fast. Doesn't me we can do it. (I don't mean to sound too harsh, but 100 bullets just isn't feasible without elegant weaponry with huge costs to keep or Huge carrying with a flattened weapon-carrier at the end of a 2 inch hike) 4. Just because it looks old don't mean it be old. The revolving magazine wall is built in many gun today and style is just as important a part as pure killing. Why else would Jayne carry knives as well as a vast plethora of weaponry?
I'll grant that there are MANY weapons, but mostly we see them in the outer rim or edges of space. The weaponry seen in the only alliance territory core was on Ariel. Mucho high tech there.
And Mal isn't a Joe Blow off a street. He was a middling ranked independant officer, who ended up with a huge command. And ended up buying a non-flying wreck. I'm sure the salesman woulda been happy to get Serenity off his hands.
Gaheris
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The following is a believable history for Firefly:
The Earth was doomed. People were dumped on outer rim planets with little or no technolgy many of which where farmers or taught how to become farmers (which has to be the cheapest way to colonize a planets). For may hundreds or thousands of years the people on the planets have little or no contact with other planet. The people on these planets live very simple lives either by choice (the reason the inhabitability of Earth may have been because of some misuse of technology) or due to the lack of technology on hand. Then one day the Alliance arrives on their doorstep. Now The Alliance isn't going to start handing out the latest greatest technology are they particularly if they have plans of taking over theses planets and by keeping the populations on these planets primitive it makes it easy for the Alliance to keep control over.
People show use their brains rather than instantly disregarding the premises of Firefly and they shouldn't judge a show based on its props and costumes. Firefly is a show with strong characters and clever story lines.
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OK, I can see a reasonable size gun that can have 100 round clips. Just not with gunpowder as the propellent. So what if the gun propells the bullets with electromagnets as theorized numerous times before in several threads? Might work. It could give the smaller bullets the necessary velocity to overcome thier smaller mass. Seems to me that'd be less efficient though. Besides, if the whole reason these people are using regular guns is that they cannot afford anything fancy, then why would they uses some electromagnetic gun, which is by defination fancy?
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Originally posted by UFO:Quote:
Originally posted by YeAhItSme:
look at how easy it is to ship things around the planet today...are all the country have the latest technology in everything? NO! So I don't see why it would be different in the future when human has colonised many planet!
Totally different. The correct analogy would be if the U.S. were the only country on the planet and we suddenly discovered the rest of the planet uninhabited and colonized it....Would that colony have new technology and access to it? Probably.
When Europes colonised America we didn't get all the technologies they had until we could create them ourselves and/or afford to buy them...
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I guess this is where my lack of info shines thru. I assumed that the various worlds were colonized years... possibly a hundred years or more... earlier, long enough ago for them to have formed a separate identity from the Alliance, similar to the hundred fifty years or so between the colonization of North America and the Civil War. Long enough ago that even if they STARTED with high tech stuff, some of that technology was worn away.
But WHY has not technology spread more evenly? Is is because the outlying planets are dirt poor and can't afford it? Makes sense... civilization's center has the capability to enforce a negative flow of goods and services. Does this mean that the Alliance has a colonial relationship with the outlying planets? Is this part of the reason for the rebellion? Then the Alliance would establish many military bases to actively maintain control. This would create widespread resentment in people who are close enough to see what they're missing, which is out of reach by artificial barriers. (Think Phillipine slums.)
Or is it because the outlying planets themselves are too new or lacking essential resources to have developed independent economies and goods of equivalent trade value? In that case, the Alliance's relationship is one of "benign neglect"? (Only examples I can think of are small countries like Tibet or Costa Rica that have no resources of great value and are pretty much left alone economically.) Or is it simply one of time and distance, shipping costs and risks being too exhorbitant for widespread trade? In that case, the outlying planets are truly ignorant, seeing very little of the technology that is very far away, like the !Kung of the Kalahari. I know this is niggling, it defines the reactions of the populations they meet, not only to Firefly but also to the Alliance. Probably like today it's a mixture of things, but don't expect to see low value trade being conducted on planets that seem to be very backwater.
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Originally posted by YeAhItSme:Quote:
Originally posted by UFO:Quote:
Originally posted by YeAhItSme:
look at how easy it is to ship things around the planet today...are all the country have the latest technology in everything? NO! So I don't see why it would be different in the future when human has colonised many planet!
Totally different. The correct analogy would be if the U.S. were the only country on the planet and we suddenly discovered the rest of the planet uninhabited and colonized it....Would that colony have new technology and access to it? Probably.
When Europes colonised America we didn't get all the technologies they had until we could create them ourselves and/or afford to buy them...
I hate all these nested quotes, but oh well.... Look at the world we live in now... There are places in the world where the general population is so poor that they use rocks as weapons. It isn't because it is so difficult to get the super-duper high tech weapons, it is because they are too poor to pay for them. So yes, it is probably very easy to get stuff from one planet to another in the Firefly timeframe. But even Mal wouldn't deliver a big cargo of high tech equipment to people who couldn't afford to pay him for it.
If America suddenly colonized a bunch of new planets or continents if there were more, Many of the colonists would be wealthy, sure. And those colonists would take their fancy schmancy stuff. But a huge portion of the colonists would be the poor who are hoping to make a new start for themselves in a new place. (Like many Europeans came to America when we were just starting out). I don't think that the government would do much more than lay the groundwork for trade. Purchasing the technologies would still be up to the individual colonists.
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