Man, here's hoping he doesn't screw up the Avengers like he did ALIEN RESURRECTION!

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STORYMARK

Wednesday, October 12, 2011 4:13 PM

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Originally posted by lwaves:

Apologies for the troll thingy in my other post but your original post read to me like a hit-and-run job. But you've returned and posted so fair play to you.

No, I think you got it right the first time.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

THESOMNAMBULIST

Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:33 PM

Originally posted by thedudeabides:

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Honestly, that's all I've got to say about this. I'm really just stirring the pot because no one seems to want to bring up that stinker he wrote that ruined my favorite movie franchise.
I have tried four times to make it through Serenity and I can't get past the first ten minutes. Firefly and Buffy were....I dunno, TV shows? The man writes the same "sarcastic" characters over and over again.

If you were to glance casually over some of Hollywood's repsected directors you'd notice most of them have a particular 'kink' that they adhere to.

Steven Spielberg. Use of children to further a story : Close Encounters, ET, Empire of the Sun, Temple of Doom, Twilight Zone the Movie.
Frank Darabont. Likes to develop Steven King stories : Green Mile, Shawshank Redemption, Mist....
Darren Aronofsky. Overblown psycho melodrama. Black Swan, Requiem for a Dream, The Wrestler
Robert Zemeckis. Likes to encorporate technical challenges: Polar Express, Who framed Roger Rabbit, Beowulf, A Christmas Carol.
Christoher Nolan. Concept heavy ideas: Insomnia, Memento, Inception
John Carpenter. Heavy obsesssion with the Horror Genre: The Ward, The Thing, Halloween, The Fog, In the Mouth of Madness.
Martin Scorsese. Violent depictions of life often focused on gansters. Meanstreets, Taxi Driver, Goodfellas, Casino.
Tim Burton Characters who are outsiders: Edward Scissorhands, PeeWee Herman, Batman, Beetlejuice, Vincent
and the most respected and singular of them all:

Alfred Hitchcock. Suspense thrillers. Vertigo, Psycho, Rear Window, North by Northwest etc etc.
and everyone of them has made a 'stinker' some actualy nothing but, but that's arguable.

It's just the rub.

THEDUDEABIDES

Thursday, October 13, 2011 1:02 AM

Oh snap...you just compared Whedon to Hitchcock?

I get what you're saying, but I hardly think that Whedon has shared the same success and acclaim as Hitchcock, Burton, or any of the other ones you named....
There's a reason those guys are household names.

Still, props to those who said A:R was bad.

THESOMNAMBULIST

Thursday, October 13, 2011 2:39 AM

Originally posted by thedudeabides:

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Oh snap...you just compared Whedon to Hitchcock?

I get what you're saying, but I hardly think that Whedon has shared the same success and acclaim as Hitchcock, Burton, or any of the other ones you named....
There's a reason those guys are household names.

Still, props to those who said A:R was bad.

Nope. I highlighted how most directors have a pattern in thier work.

Thereafter it's all much of a muchness. Burton has spent his whole career dealing with people saying he does the same thing and can't write/direct narrative for toffee. Spielberg has been sited as being too sentimental (a criticism he's acknowledged). Tarantino is too preoccupied with non expositional dialogue... and so it goes on. None are exempt from criticism and or falling into a routine of familiarity.

I guess what I'm saying is Whedon is not exclusive in terms of having faults. It's part of the process. How much of a directors faults you can put up with all depends on the individual. You clearly don't gel with Whedon's 'Schtick'. There's really nothing that can be done about that.

However to save yourself any further dissapointment I'd suggest avoiding Avengers. You know he wrote and directed it right?

He only wrote Alien Resurrection!

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CPLROBERTS57THOVERLA

Thursday, October 13, 2011 2:33 PM

firs things first... let me get this out of the way... I like black olives and mushrooms on my pizza. That feels better!

At any rate, yes, A:R sucked. That's a self-evident truth, common knowledge like the color of grass or the fallibility of the right wing. But I don't think it's because of Joss' writing. Many steps between screenplay and movie, and tossing out a good portion of Joss' work was an early one.

Also, and this is just personal curiosity, but if you couldn't sit through Serenity, how are you a member of this board?? I'm not saying we should cast you out, I really am just flabbergasted; how can you like Firefly, but not Serenity? Never mind that you obviously don't care for the work of Whedon in general (that's the impression I get).

STORYMARK

Thursday, October 13, 2011 4:11 PM

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Originally posted by CPLRoberts57thOverla:
Many steps between screenplay and movie, and tossing out a good portion of Joss' work was an early one.

Which is why I asked the original poster if he had read the script (rather than judging the writing by the final film, which was altered greatly).

Rather telling that he avoided that question.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

EBFIDDLER

Thursday, October 13, 2011 4:34 PM

Onions, peppers, and mushrooms.

Oh, and I haven't seen Alien Resurrection. I like lots of elements of Joss's storytelling. Not horror so much, but the thriller/sci-fi/western/and especially humor aspects of his writing really engage me. I've never been able to watch all of Buffy, because although I LOVE the concept (Little blonde girl walks into dark alley, where lurks evil bad guy. Evil bad guy jumps her. And she beats the snot out of him.) I've found I just don't care for vampires all that much. Space cowboys for me any day.

I think that one thing Joss Whedon succeeds at tremendously is dumping stereotypes on their heads, with humor. I mean the reason we're even seeing a similarity between Mal=Angel=other Joss characters is because his overturning of the stereotypes has established new Joss-derived archetypes. It's a bit like saying that Mozart's music is stereotypical classical music.

LWAVES

Thursday, October 13, 2011 9:20 PM

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Originally posted by CPLRoberts57thOverla:
Also, and this is just personal curiosity, but if you couldn't sit through Serenity, how are you a member of this board?? I'm not saying we should cast you out, I really am just flabbergasted; how can you like Firefly, but not Serenity? Never mind that you obviously don't care for the work of Whedon in general (that's the impression I get).

Well he didn't ever say that he liked Firefly and from the points he keeps making about Joss and his other work I have to assume that he didn't like it (if he even watched). I highly doubt that he tried to watch Serenity 4 times either. Giving a film ten minutes (even allowing for exaggeration of the time scale) is not giving it any anywhere near enough of a chance, whatever the film may be, and if they thought it was that bad they wouldn't have given it another go, let alone 3 more attempts.

As for being a member of this board, he joined, started this thread and this is the only one he's posted in (so far). I may not have gotten the 'hit-and-run' part of my first post quite right but I definitely stand by my opinion that he's a troll. He deliberately posted this thread to get fans riled up and see what comeback he gets. I'd be quite happy to be proven wrong but if he doesn't like Joss's work then I don't see him sticking around.

P.S.
Love the battalion pic in your sig.

"The greatest invention ever is not the wheel. It's the second wheel." - Rich Hall

CPLROBERTS57THOVERLA

Friday, October 14, 2011 11:26 AM

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Originally posted by lwaves:

Well he didn't ever say that he liked Firefly and from the points he keeps making about Joss and his other work I have to assume that he didn't like it (if he even watched). I highly doubt that he tried to watch Serenity 4 times either. Giving a film ten minutes (even allowing for exaggeration of the time scale) is not giving it any anywhere near enough of a chance, whatever the film may be, and if they thought it was that bad they wouldn't have given it another go, let alone 3 more attempts.

As for being a member of this board, he joined, started this thread and this is the only one he's posted in (so far). I may not have gotten the 'hit-and-run' part of my first post quite right but I definitely stand by my opinion that he's a troll. He deliberately posted this thread to get fans riled up and see what comeback he gets. I'd be quite happy to be proven wrong but if he doesn't like Joss's work then I don't see him sticking around.

P.S.
Love the battalion pic in your sig.

"The greatest invention ever is not the wheel. It's the second wheel." - Rich Hall

Well, I just assumed OP was a fan because he was a member. It escapes me what motivates trolls to just appear in threads to rile people up. Seems like lack of constructive means to pass time combined with lack of creativity.

And thanks! I like the sig, have made a bunch of others that I'll roll out from time to time.

JAYNEZTOWN

Saturday, October 15, 2011 2:33 PM

thedudeabides there's a part of me that almost wants to agree with you 100%. Even though I think Joss can be a great writer, top class movie maker a and do a nice comicbook like Xmen.
I'm a long term Firefly fan....then came the movie

and back then people started to rip him a new one over how quick the story unfolded and the pointless shockjock deaths of Wash etc as well as not executing the technical details of the visuals and story so newbies could be drawn into the Firefly franchise for movies 2 and 3

Joss is great but he can mess up
Aliens a mess and Serenity had messy bits
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=2&t=16312
I hope he gets it right 4 Avengers, its a big franchise and responsibility

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