Tiny survey/research question if anyone feels like helping

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UPDATED: Tuesday, October 4, 2011 01:37
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RIONAEIRE

Monday, October 3, 2011 10:53 PM

Kiki, you are quick to point out extreme and, in your opinion, possibly mental illness induced beliefs in others, but you forget, or fail to agknowledge, that you have some pretty extreme beliefs yourself. Extreme beliefs in themselves don't necessarily mean someone has a mental illness. Those beliefs need to be causing physical or emotional harm for oneself or others and be hampering daily functioning to be considered part of mental illness.

Which goes back to what Frem is pondering. Again I must say that you have some pretty extreme beliefs yourself so saying that the other people with extreme beliefs, if they lean towards violence, have mental illness isn't fair in itself. Its all a matter of degree and I know you know that, I think you're wondering where the tipping point is and I can only say it depends on the individual, the situation etc.

Magon's. I don't think you're on the fence about diagnosing, I think you have a sensible view on it. There's no point in labeling someone if they are a bit different but it isn't altering daily functioning, like your family having sometendencies that corrilate with Asperger's, they do fine in life without any assistance or treatment or anything, they have friends, they work, they are content, they do what they want to do, so why try and label something that doesn't need labeling? I agree totally. But of course on the other end if there is a significant enough difference in someone's brain and experience realted thereto then a diagnosis is good because it can help the situation to be addressed and worked to find the best treatments or techniques for managing and assisting with it and getting things going as well as possible for the person. I wouldn't call that on the fence, I'd say you have feelings on both sides of the issue that work together to balance it out and give you a wider picture.

Thanks for that list, clearly I'm not a psychopath. :)

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Monday, October 3, 2011 11:02 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by RionaEire:

Thanks for that list, clearly I'm not a psychopath. :)

That is exactly what a psychopath would say, btw.

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Monday, October 3, 2011 11:02 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bytemite:
In acknowledgment of the shortcomings of checklists, I'll attempt to check-list myself honestly.

1. Depends 2. Depends 3. Depends 4. Depends 5. Depends 6. Depends 7a. Depends 7b. Depends
8. Depends 9. Depends 10. Depends 11. Depends 12. Depends 13. Depends 14. Depends 15. Depends
16. Depends

LOL

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Monday, October 3, 2011 11:05 PM

1. Considerable superficial charm and average or above average intelligence.
TICK
2. Absence of delusions and other signs of irrational thinking
CROSS
3. Absence of anxiety or other "neurotic" symptoms considerable poise, calmness, and verbal facility.
BIG CROSS
4. Unreliability, disregard for obligations no sense of responsibility, in matters of little and great import.
CROSS
5.Untruthfulness and insincerity
CROSS

7. Antisocial behavior which is inadequately motivated and poorly planned, seeming to stem from an inexplicable impulsiveness.
CROSS

7.Inadequately motivated antisocial behavior
CROSS

8.Poor judgment and failure to learn from experience
TICK/CROSS
9. Pathological egocentricity. Total self-centeredness incapacity for real love and attachment.
CROSS
10. General poverty ot deep and lasting emotions.
CROSS

11. Lack of any true insight, inability to see oneself as others do.
? HOW WOULD I KNOW ?
12. Ingratitude for any special considerations, kindness, and trust.
CROSS

13. Fantastic and objectionable behavior, after drinking and sometimes even when not drinking--vulgarity, rudeness, quick mood shifts, pranks.
TICK
14. No history of genuine suicide attempts.
TICK
15. An impersonal, trivial, and poorly integrated seX life.
CROSS
16. Failure to have a life plan and to live in any ordered way, unless it be one promoting self-defeat.
TICK

1KIKI

Monday, October 3, 2011 11:29 PM

"Extreme beliefs in themselves don't necessarily mean someone has a mental illness."

Ahem. If you read my posts you'll notice that I acknowledge my views of insanity might be different from other people's views. But I don't think extreme beliefs alone are insanity. It's the x-ing off of huge chunks of reality in order to maintain those beliefs that I perceive to be 'crazy'. And - on the whole - if you look at our right-whingers, you'll find a severe dismissal of fact in favor of extreme belief.

Also, I am on the fence about socially acceptable delusions. Some delusions are not socially acceptable - like PN's constant blaming of everything on the Jew / Nazi / British Queen / Bilderberg / Mason conspiracy - and we clearly recognize it as disordered thinking (or a very good facsimile for google purposes).

But what about extreme political belief? Religion? If there are other people who think like you do does it make it any less crazy? OTOH, if you grow up surrounded by those ideas, are you merely doing what normal people do - which is adapt to the society around you?

I'm still thinking about that.

As a challenge to you, and not anything I am asking you to reply to, but just to think about - since coming here you've been exposed to many different ideas. Have you run across any set of facts or a logical analysis which has shifted any of your beliefs?

Remember when teachers, public employees, Planned Parenthood, NPR and PBS crashed the stock market, wiped out half of our 401Ks, took trillions in taxpayer funded bailouts, spilled oil in the Gulf of Mexico, gave themselves billions in bonuses, and paid no taxes?

Yeah, me neither....

RIONAEIRE

Tuesday, October 4, 2011 1:37 AM

I think that since I came here in Feb. I've definitely had a chance to consider a lot of my political beliefs because I've seen the extremes of both sides and been able to consider and annalyze where I land in that continuum. I've become more willing to look at ideas that I would have considered rediculous or far fetched. I've also become bolder in saying what I think about things, I never lied about what I thought because I wouldn't ever pretend to think something I don't think, but I've been emboldened to say whatever I think without worrying about others. But at the same time I still like to try and phrase things in a fashion that isn't cruel to others or mean spirited.

DT has got me to feel that we may indirectly be impacting climate change through deforestation, whereas I used to think it was all the earth and we had nothing to do with it, but I agree that we aren't responsable for most of it and we aren't responsable in the ways that most people think of. My opinion of the DEA is rapidly declining based on stuff you guys say, I'd never thought much about it before but more and more I'm starting to think that criminalizing substances in the way we do doesn't accomplish much. I'm not a very conspiratorial person most of the time, but there are a few things that I lean that way on, and seeing other people do it makes me not feel so silly, and when my dad (who is neurotypical but tends towards conspiratorialism) starts talking conspiracies I see where he's coming from more, I think some of that is Frem's doing.

So those are some things, they aren't huge things but I do notice little differences in my feelings about some issues since coming here. Is that the kind of answer you were looking for Kiki?

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

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