Cash for Clunkers
POSTED BY: AnthonyT
UPDATED: Sunday, October 2, 2011 23:29
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If they hadn't destroyed the clunkers, C4C *might* have worked.
Instead, sell them for parts, or repair them.
However...
Try finding a used car for cheap now, tho.
Maybe ebayMotors, or independent sellers....
It was just another ploy to force us all into a liberal utopia of driving hybrids.
"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"
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Hello,
So if we remove the component of removing vehicles from circulation, and make the program a straight voucher/subsidy on qualified purchases, you would be more in favor of this form of stimulus?
--Anthony
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"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner
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"So if we remove the component of removing vehicles from circulation, and make the program a straight voucher/subsidy on qualified purchases, you would be more in favor of this form of stimulus?"
No...
Because the program would have to be paid for somehow. Which means tax money.
Now. If companies wanted to do it on their OWN (tho, from a pure cost-based analysis, why would they?) Maybe.
It HAS been done before. "We will give you 1 grand (cashy money) for whatever clunker you can get to our lot".
The companies/dealers then either see if they can get it up and running again, or sell it for parts and scrap... while the person who brought it in walks away with the money.
THAT works.
Cus lets say the company/dealer gets it running again. They can sell it back out for cost+repairs+percentage. While the seller earns more than he could on his own.
Free market. The product (vehicle) stays in circulation, the seller gets a flat amount, and the buyer earns a percentage.
I was never for bailing out the car companies (duh), and will never buy a vehicle from one that took the money.
And, just fyi, those companies that took our money are AGAIN looking at bancruptcy.
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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:And, just fyi, those companies that took our money are AGAIN looking at bancruptcy.
Citation Needed!
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Mike,
Fair enough, okay, it's a darwinian exercise in lemminghood, sure.
Anyone trading in an Aston Martin is probably up to something. I smell scheme somewhere... no one is that dumb. He wasn't an ex-president, was he?
Though, I'm not sure, I knew a kid who turned in a Porsche 944 for a Honda Accord, because he was embarrassed by comments people made at school. 16 and darwin ready... someone might have pointed out that while it's acceptable to pick up your prom date in a honda accord, that's provided you have one...Quote:
Mike:
I'm curious as to why Rappy thinks TARP was a good idea
I'm so not getting into this, but I have noticed that he doesn't oppose things from which he is somehow the beneficiary.
Wulf,
I think a lot of the clunkers actually were shipped to Mexico and sold, probably in exchange for drugs.
Anyone who believes that the concept of ethics even exists should be given an honorary darwin award as well. If they can do it, they will, it's that simple. You have a car, you're the govt, you have to get rid of it, you know what you can trade it for, kilos of cocaine. They can then make a profit selling the product to the newly indebted citizenry.
Anthony
More in favor is a relative term. I don't favor govt. interfering in the free market, and I'm blanketly opposed to subsidies. But yes, crushing cars, or selling them to Mexico for drugs, or even cash, is removing goods from the American market, which is the opposite of supply side thinking, and it's the worst part of the program, yes. But still, you're stuck with a keynesian consumerist model based on encouraging consumers to consume, bury themselves in debt, while making their selections for them.
If you want to have more fuel efficient vehicles on the road, just make them a financial liability for the car companies.
A typical American car will consume around 6000 gallons of fuel before kicking the bucket. The cost of that fuel at the pump has remained pretty much the same as the cost of a new car.
Here's a radical idea:
What if you made the cost of fuel part of the car? You sell the car, and then you have to buy the fuel.
Oh, screw that, then they'd just make cars die quicker.
The problem isn't the consumer, it's the car companies, because they're owned by the same people as the oil companies and the banks, it's a big scam, to try to get your money.
If you spend $25k on the car, and you have a loan, you can spend another $25 in interest, and another $25 in gas, and a final $25 in repairs, and they have you for 100k. It's like education or housing or healthcare.
The greed never gets out of control unless it's being subsidized, usually by the federal govt. If there were no regulations at all, and anyone could make a car and sell it, you'd be getting $5000 electric cars in a year or two. 
Meet the California Roadster NEV. $8995 list price.
Big auto makers aren't really interested because their board members are on many companies, and see the opportunity to make $100k off that consumer.
How often has an economic advisor, professor, or teacher, said to you "Oh, screw the degree, no one is going to pay attention to it anyway, I mean, it don't matter if it's accredited, or if you have one at all, you can learn all this stuff online for free. Save yourself ten years wages."
I'm guessing not too often.
Well, son, we fixed you arm, and here are some antibiotics, I bought 'em cheap from canada, and the whole thing only took me an hour and a half, I say 50 bucks and we call it even, right?
Hey, check out this property we have for sale over on beaumont. No one is living there right now, so I say, fuck it, just move in.
Society is run by thieves, for thieves. And the biggest thief is the govt. Someone rips someone off, that's income, that income gets taxed. The more they rip them off, the more tax gets collected. Ain't gonna change anytime soon. Not here anyhow.
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Hello,
So in fact any stimulus of any kind is being viewed as a negative here, because it interferes with the Free Market.
This would make it a real challenge for the Democratic party to craft any kind of acceptable stimulus package, I wager.
--Anthony
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"In every war, the state enacts a tax of freedom upon the citizenry. The unspoken promise is that the tax shall be revoked at war's end. Endless war holds no such promise. Hence, Eternal War is Eternal Slavery." --Admiral Robert J. Henner
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Kiki:Quote:
Obviously I concur. The only thing I cna figure is they post such outrageous things that people feel compelled to respond. That responding has no effect would seem to eventually become clear, but maybe every time they do it, people respond instinctively. I dunno; certainly sometimes I respond, but I TRY to make it only once to refute whatever insanity they've spouted--for the benefit of others--then stop. I'm not always successful, because even I get triggered by their idiocy, but I usually manage to pull away after a post or two. So there's some dichotomy between "knowing" and "reacting", I would assume.
I really don't understand why anyone bothers with Rappy or Wulfie.
Mostly I wish we could ignore them completely, then maybe they'd go away and we could have actual intelligent discussions. Hey, I'm allowed to dream.
Anthony:Quote:
No wager, obvious FACT. This surprises you exactly how? ;o)
This would make it a real challenge for the Democratic party to craft any kind of acceptable stimulus package, I wager.
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Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
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Kwickie -
I never run away from specific questions or answers. Again with your classic projection onto others, of faults you possess.
TARP I wasn't in favor of, and many think it did little more than calm some nerves, but reluctantly I have to say it was a positive. Unlike the pork barrel spending Obama has given us, which did little more than funnel $ to his base, and aid unions.
Unemployment will go above 8.0% if we DON'T pass the Porkulis bill, but it'll soar past 9.0% if we DO ?
Where do we sign up for that ??? Oh BOY!
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Kwickie -
I never run away from specific questions or answers. Again with your classic projection onto others, of faults you possess.
Posting pictures and not answering like in the other thread regarding the green energy push is running away.
I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
If they hadn't destroyed the clunkers, C4C *might* have worked.
Instead, sell them for parts, or repair them.
However...
Try finding a used car for cheap now, tho.
Maybe ebayMotors, or independent sellers....
It was just another ploy to force us all into a liberal utopia of driving hybrids.
Wulfie, I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what the word "force" means. That, or you just have a problem with your brain being defective.
What kind of cheap used car are you looking for? I bet I can find one for you pretty quick.
"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill
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