Nobel Prize-Winning Physicist Resigns Over Global Warming
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It's okay. They ARE migrating. It's just that a species migrating away from rising temperatures is not going to go from temperate/sub-arctic waters to cross the equator because that would mean going through tropical waters.
My whole point is just that scientists got to be careful what they say and to try to not make this political. I think something's happening, but I think it's just as important that scientists do not exaggerate or mislead about their claims or their findings, because then they lose credibility. Same with saying that something is incontrovertible - that loses credibility.
The same of course goes for journalists. While an interesting article, I might argue that the way it was phrased and edited was intended to be misleading. Journalists will of course sensationalize, scientists should not ever sensationalize.
Crabs migrating away from Alaska to Antarctica would be an incredible and alarming story. The actual situation is extreme enough that crabs are migrating from New Zealand, but not so extreme they're migrating south from Alaska.
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
"Giaever earned his Nobel for his experimental discoveries regarding tunneling phenomena in superconductors."
And that makes him an expert in climate science .... HOW again? It's like asking your dentist to work on your car - because he's a dentist and should know!
Now that I think about it, this seems to indicate Rap's reverence for 'authorities' (as long as they agree with him) and disdain for actual facts and knowledge.
Remember when teachers, public employees, Planned Parenthood, NPR and PBS crashed the stock market, wiped out half of our 401Ks, took trillions in taxpayer funded bailouts, spilled oil in the Gulf of Mexico, gave themselves billions in bonuses, and paid no taxes?
Yeah, me neither....
Apparently Rap didn't like your message (that this guy isn't a climate scientist in any sense of the word), so he needed to attack you for pointing it out.
Odd that he considers himself a lefty now, though. ;)
"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill
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Doesn't matter that he's not a climate scientist in the least. His argument was on the shoddy science which is being promoted as 'incontrovertible'. It's poor science, and he's absolutely right.
And I 'attacked' no one.
" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "
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Quote:AHEM!
Originally posted by Bytemite:
Just being a scientist in general is all you need to be offended by an "incontrovertible" claim.
If it's incontrovertible, it's not science - science is based on study and observation, which is based on questions.
If you read the article you will find that he's ok with it being a FACT that global warming is false. He himself has a website claiming it's a FACT that it's false. He's NOT taking a 'wait and see, the data will bear it out' approach.
It seems the only 'facts' he objects to are the ones he has already decided against. ie - he is operating on beliefs, not scientific skepticism.
Remember when teachers, public employees, Planned Parenthood, NPR and PBS crashed the stock market, wiped out half of our 401Ks, took trillions in taxpayer funded bailouts, spilled oil in the Gulf of Mexico, gave themselves billions in bonuses, and paid no taxes?
Yeah, me neither....
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In this case, I believe
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DumbassHasAPoint
Unless you disagree with the scientific method. Incontrovertible is still something you should never claim in relation to research.
Also, gesundheit.
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King crabs.
Nonetheless, Byte, they are swarming over areas they have not lived in for millenia. Speaking of ignoring evidence in favor of mistakes.
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wow. The logistical contortions and gymnastics you AGW zealots go through to deny reality.
" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "
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Quote:And rappy would know this... how? Because he understands the scientific method? Because he's all about the facts? Because he has a shred of logic?
It's poor science, and he's absolutely right.
Yanno, the fact that this comes from someone who has complete disdain for evidence makes this statement nothing more than a joke.
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"It's poor science, and he's absolutely right."
Except he's a proponent of equally poor science in the other direction. Do you dismiss HIS poor science as well, based on it being poor science?
I thought not.
Remember when teachers, public employees, Planned Parenthood, NPR and PBS crashed the stock market, wiped out half of our 401Ks, took trillions in taxpayer funded bailouts, spilled oil in the Gulf of Mexico, gave themselves billions in bonuses, and paid no taxes?
Yeah, me neither....
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Nice catch Sig, I didn't make that point myself. At all. To NOBC, explaining how it's still significant that they are migrating from New Zealand, but that we have to be careful about sensationalism.
We were arguing against the concept of neutrality and skepticism in science, I believe? You're making a good showing for the opposition.
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