Losing that "western" feel?
POSTED BY: InevitableBetrayal
UPDATED: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 20:39
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It certainly seems like the movie is expanding into other cultures, but I don't think they can do much to the crew. I say this based on hope, the set pictures, and items from the press kit (with all the Arabic and Japanese text). I like the idea that, although the Alliance is a merger of the US American and Chinese governments, it doesn't mean other cultures won't survive, and even thrive, in the future.
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Before I get all technical and over-detailed, let me just say that I agree for the most part. All of those episodes had little Western feel. But they had SOME. I guess I didn't make that clear. I only need ONE cow. Or ONE horse. Or ONE plateau (or maybe a dust devil :). To make me know that it's still 'my' Firefly...
Now, on to my rebuttals (in good fun!):
Bushwacked - Right on. Space episode. Need those. But 1-hour episodes don't last 2+ hours, like the movie. And the name says it all.
Out of Gas - Not quite so right. Last I checked, while the Mal timeline was shipboard, we had a nice little flashback to Persephone, which I would classify as dusty enough (besides, it's got swords!):)
Ariel - OF COURSE. Again with the one-hour episode.
War Stories - NOT. Last I checked, Mal and Wash were captured on a dusty plateau-sort of an outdoor area. And that torture room? I LOVE the little bullet holes and fake sunshine coming in. Very western, that room.
Trash - Come on! What exactly was Mal sitting naked in? Tokyo? See dusty plataeus requirement number 1.
The Message - I LOVE the Space Bazaar. Best darned thing I ever saw. And guess what? Western-asian-multicultural. Guy comes by holding things in baskets on a staff on his back. Person riding an ancient bicycle. ON A SPACE STATION. I guess I should have included old bicycles as another option :)
Objects in Space - Right. Another Space Episode.
Look, what I'm saying is, you can have space episode portions to the movie - I'm sure they can have more than usual, given the budget - but I want some planetside fun with plataeu, Western environment feel. Which I'm guessing, from what we heard spoilerwise from the very first Browncoat on the set, just might be something we'll see.
Nuff said. Now give me some cows :)
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Because the idiot powers that pay always want to change it so they can see their damn money.
Let's not forget that without those "idiot powers that pay" we wouldn't be getting a movie at all, so why not save the tetchiness and give Universal the benefit of the doubt for now? I mean, how do we even know that these aren't Joss' own wishes?
I just don't like how some of us went from being hopeful and grateful to the powers that be that they were allowing Joss to continue his vision and bring our Big Damn Heroes back, to a bunch of whiners thinking that we know how to make Joss' movie better than Joss does.
Just have faith, people. If need be, rip out some pages and rewrite your book, integrating non-progressional evolution theory with Joss' creation of Serenity, and file all preconcieved complaints under "early quantum state phenomenon."
Only way to fit 5000 different ways of bitching and moaning on the same boat.
"You've just gotta go ahead and change the captain of your brainship, because he's drunk at the wheel."
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Spoiler to follow, folks!
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You'll be happy to know that in the Serenity teaser I just saw, there's a nice dusty scrub brush-dotted landscape, with a high-speed chase across it. Might even have been plateaus!
I'm satisfied. Western enough for me, though I still would like a cow or two.
- FW
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The westernniousty is my favorite part. If I wanted the same old thing I'd still be watching Starteck.
*Female Jayne drops to her knees and pleads with Joss the mastermind of all the is good on TV and asks that he not change Serenity into just another Hollywood movie*
With Hope because love is nothing without hope.
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I'd like to see them tune it down just a bit.
My biggest thing I'd like to see gone, which might be rectified by budget, is get rid of the guns that recognizably Old West guns. Like Zoe's sawed -off Winchester, or the full-sized one they takes into Niska's space station.
Mal's gun is totally the way to go, clearly the same form and function, but it looks a bit different. Jayne packs a similar piece. I'm willing to buy that lever-action rifles and some revolvers would be used on the fronteir, because they're both quality designs that a much less vulnerable to jamming when they get some grit in them.
Dan
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The odd aspect of this is that since the movie is pretty much wrapped, if they completely cut out all references to the frontier, it would be too late to complain. But the dusty frontier and FF are like peanut butter and jelly. You can't have one without the other.
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Originally posted by witlesschum:
My biggest thing I'd like to see gone, which might be rectified by budget, is get rid of the guns that recognizably Old West guns. Like Zoe's sawed -off Winchester, or the full-sized one they takes into Niska's space station.
Mal's gun is totally the way to go, clearly the same form and function, but it looks a bit different. Jayne packs a similar piece. I'm willing to buy that lever-action rifles and some revolvers would be used on the fronteir, because they're both quality designs that a much less vulnerable to jamming when they get some grit in them.
Dan
So basically what you're saying is, "Get rid of the old west guns--but not Mal's, coz I like that one, and not Jayne's, cause I like that one, too. In fact, don't get rid of revolvers, just lever actions."
What a bunch of hooey.
The old western-y guns are part of FF. Don't mess with the formula.
BTW...getting rid of Zoe's gun is the worst idea I've ever heard on this board. What would you rather she carry? One of those phaser rifles from the first Star Trek? Without the gun Zoe is just...well, not Zoe.
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Amen, brother! Zoe's carbine/whatever it is has to be my favorite gun.
Revolvers, wooden stocks - that's where it's at.
- FW
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BTW...getting rid of Zoe's gun is the worst idea I've ever heard on this board. What would you rather she carry?
Or maybe a slightly different shotgun that's changed a little bit in 500 years, like Mal's gun.
I think the movie will be just fine. It won't be like watching Ariel, where there aren't any Western settings. Neither will it be like Heart of Gold. There'll still be bustling multicultural markets and a few scrubby plains, but it'll just be toned down some.
Of course, I've got nothing to base this on. I'm really just making stuff up here. But, as people have said, we should trust Joss to make the right choices. If 'Versal's pressuring him, we'll hear all about it in the DVD commentary.
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