Diversity of viewpoints among firefly fans

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GHOULMAN

Friday, August 13, 2004 4:41 PM

^^^
HERO - ever hear of ethics?

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Originally posted by zoid:
And to think, people have accused me of being a conspiracy theorist. I humbly bow to my obvious master...

.. it's old news. Not a conspiracy theory... it's fact (as HERO seems to confirm). Been going on online for years... prolly most memorably on the Slashdot.org site in years past.

This is, as mature Net readers/posters know, an ongoing campaign technique used online for years.

It is fundementally a sad time when the great text community of the Net can't be trusted to be filled with anything more than paid for polemics and marketing bullplop from an army of morally apathetic bastards who think rat-f*cking actual fans of some TV show (let alone trolling people for having a political opinion) is anything more than a vicious attack on the very people who "they" seek to brain wash.

If you think the Firefly fanbase is diverse I gotta wonder just how skewed that perception is thanks to an Internet full of "sock puppets" claiming to be actual fans.

That is... actual humans.

Sheriff:"Then a mans got a choice".
Mal: "I don't believe he does".

LTNOWIS

Friday, August 13, 2004 5:10 PM

So, Kukoo thinks the Alliance is the end result of the 2 party system, and SheperdQ thinks they're the result of business greed. Both great ideas, highly likely, but let's not forget about the Chinese here. I think there's a lot of good ol' Chinese authoritarianism mixed in too. Nowadays, the Commies in China are pretty laid back, dogma-wise. They merely demand that people not threaten the government, complain about the government, or publish uncensored news. They're doing a lot of things with floating trains and space travel too. Recently, they put a man in space, and there's a maglev in Shanghai.

WITLESSCHUM

Friday, August 13, 2004 7:42 PM

I noticed that too, especially with the links to heavy libertarians who love. I think of myself as far left (for an American). Although I wonder how lockstep the fans of, say, "Babylon 5" are. I've seen conservatives and liberal on other forums both say positive things about the show.

I also post under the same name at www.ornery.org which is a site owned by Orson Scott Card, whose fan base is similarly widely divergent in ideas.

The comments about China seem fairly right on, they seem to be conducting a willful experiment to combine the worst parts of capitalism and communism as economic ordering principles, while keeping the repression at moderate (for a dictatorship) level. (That's putting them on a scale where Russia in the 1930s is one end and someplace like the United Arab Emirates is the other)

Maybe the Alliance in the Firefly is the logical end result of that. Although I'm somewhat of an agnostic about how repressive the Alliance really is, at least on the Core worlds. Most of the direct evidence for bad-acting by them are on the outer planets.

Dan

DIETCOKE

Sunday, August 15, 2004 2:42 AM

Well said. Can't say anything more. Other then, thank you.

PIRATEJENNY

Sunday, August 15, 2004 3:37 AM

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Nowadays, the Commies in China are pretty laid back, dogma-wise. They merely demand that people not threaten the government, complain about the government, or publish uncensored news

sounds alot like America under our current administration

TENTHCREWMEMBER

Sunday, August 15, 2004 5:12 AM

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Originally posted by LtNOWIS:
So, Kukoo thinks the Alliance is the end result of the 2 party system, and SheperdQ thinks they're the result of business greed.

Here's a spin...not that I believe this to be true for the show but...

What if the Alliance *was* actually a good group of factions and had their regular elections and everything, but once upon a time all those people just a little too far from the core decided they would rather have local authority than a system wide authority, and picked a fight with the Alliance, who was then forced to not only quell insurrection, but defend themselves against an aggressor?

Over time, the war escalates, spreading from one world to the next because the Browncoats can't go toe-to-toe in numbers, so they have to keep spreading the Alliance out and taking as many as they can out. The Alliance is left no choice but to eradicate and move on, otherwise its Citizenry begins to complain they are not being protected (hence why they became so heavy-handed, such as that scene at the opening of "Serenity").

And now the final feather in their cap...after the Independents surrendered, did the Alliance go forth and round up all the people who fought against them, or the people that aided them, and execute them or throw them in jail? No. They allowed them to re-enter society and live out their lives so long as they do it by Alliance laws (as evident by the numerous Browncoats...Mal, Zoe, Tracey, Monty...and statements such as the one by the drunk in the bar about how all the Independents *should have* been killed off every world spinning).

They're not bad, they just have a poor fashion designer. ;)

Okay, enough devil's advocate...down with the Alliance!...those ruttin' oppressive gorramned purplebelly Nazi wannabes! LOL!...now I feel better...

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SIGNYM

Sunday, August 15, 2004 4:35 PM

The six FFF that that I know personally are WAAAAY far to the left of center, and none of the five Libertarians/ survivalists/ conservative Republicans that I know are FF fans. (In fact, nobody in that group watches science fiction at all.) So is the preponderance of right-wingers here representative of the FF fans as a whole? I don't know- what do you think?

BTW- thanks for pointing out the Orson Scott Card website. He's one of my favorite authors!

WITLESSCHUM

Friday, August 20, 2004 11:26 AM

www.hatrack.com is his main one, don't know if you've seen that or not.

He's real hit or miss with me, but when he's on, it's damn good.

Dan

LOSTINTHEVERSE

Friday, August 20, 2004 4:06 PM

My question, Sygnym, is where are you on the conservative/liberal spectrum? A persons personal sample is skewed based on their own politic. (people, in general, like people who agree with them) I'm currently a registered republican, though idealogically I'm more of a centerist libertarian, with a lot of very liberal friends (yay college), and my friends who are fans fall pretty evenly along the conservative/liberal spectrum. Granted, I've had a hand in converting a lot them to the browncoat cause ::grin::, but I don't see political alignment as a true factor in liking or disliking the show. But my sample for this argument is might also skewed as I may have more conservative friends than some other people, so who really knows?

~ Lost In The 'Verse

"About a year before we met, I spent 6 months on a moon where the primary form of recreation was juggling geese. My hand to god. Baby geese. Goslings. They were juggled!"

SIGNYM

Friday, August 20, 2004 4:44 PM

I'm pretty far to the left myself, but the people I'm refering to are colleagues at work so I assume that it's an unbiased sample. (Well, it's biased because of location and education level, but not biased by my associational choices!)

The weird thing is, the people that I know who like FF are chemists (with one exception) and the ppl who don't watch scific at all are engineers (with one exception). Now, what does THAT say???

Better living through chemistry?

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