Serenity - Lenore/Lovebot ?
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Quote:Yeah... That's what triggered my intitial thoughts... It's almost as though he isn't aware of such technology? Surely if he knew about robots he'd know they can hold information, so why upon his first visit did his men not destroy Lenore too. She is basically just a computer.....?
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You're right about the look The Operative gives the bot though, definitely a 'wtf'. Hmm...
Robot Lenore could be a useful plot device for Serenity 2: Lenore saw and recorded the Operative dishonorably, and unlawfully, kill Mr. Universe. She is an eyewitness to murder!
I suppose all of the Operative's killings could be justified in a court-martial except that one, assuming there are still rules in the future military. River had the wits to know she will need that recording in the next movie. Imagine River threatening the Operative with a severed robot head she stored under her bed. That would be a creepy shock for the audience and the Operative.
Especially if the robot head talked when River attaches a battery.
The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity", where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two
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The Hands of Blue being robots is something I've considered. It would explain why they aren't affected by their own brain melting technology, whether it's sonics or psionics. The other option is that it's wave based and therefore directional (and maybe can cancel itself out in a certain pocket, like the person holding the weapon, or maybe be dampened, by a full body suit).
Only problem is, what I've read of the verse suggests there's no true AI and only poor mimickry of human behaviour still. So if the Hands of Blue are robots, it'd have to be remote operated bots. Which is possible, considering the cortex, and actually not a bad idea to conserve agents with a high price tag and not disposable.
As for AI in the verse, technology must have gone some other direction. Like weapons, and trying to create psychic soldiers and population pacifiers.
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Nah, Lenore's not a companion. The supplemental resources even say that the Guild puts an automatic blackmark on anyone that they find out has a lovebot - guess they don't like competition.
But, Inara could be one, maybe, or a clone, but I think it's most likely she's a regular human, born the same way as the rest of us with belly button and all, especially considering the leaked secret.
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You're right about the look The Operative gives the bot though, definitely a 'wtf'. Hmm...
It's a robot people DO nasty things to. I think the whole of humanity is creeped out by the concept with only a few exceptions. Those poor robots.
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The Operative new that Lenore was there. She was there when he was questioning Mister Universe and made a deal to contact Mal. He knew what she was. He had established that she was not important. Just a thing. When he came back later, the only reason that he was surprised, was because of the fact that Lenore says 'Mal' when she begins her little blurb.
"Mal. Guy killed me, Mal. He killed me with a sword. How weird is that?"
He would have breezed right past her if she hadn't said anything.
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Well, that too. I remember him looking surprised when she starts speaking to "Mal" which of course tells him where Mal went for the big confrontation. Not because she was a robot.
But I wouldn't have blamed anyone for going wtf at the lovebot. I know it was meant to help establish Mr. Universe as funny, nerdy, and JUST this side of iffy, but dang, that just ain't right.
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Could it be that Inara is a superior model?
Nope.
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No one would design a bot that whines. Except Harvey Mudd.
That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.
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For her to be a synthetic person we would have to set aside those remarks made by several writers from the show and Joss himself. She is a woman. Firefly is classical storytelling about people from different sides of the tracks. While it is a sci-fi, it is still high noon in space. War veteran/cowboy meets high society/city girl.
Besides, we'd have to consider her on a level completely beyond and outside the Lenore comparison. After all, she's made with tear ducts built in and programmed/self aware to cry alone in a corner of the whore house out of sense of jealous loss in the moment.
She'd have to be above and beyond superior to eat and drink everything she consumed during the series, from hot tea to protein cakes.
And why make a 'love bot-android-construct-what-have-you' filled with blood? So that rough customers or border authorities would be fooled?
A machine or synthetic construct that Simon (a remarkably young, genius, medical doctor) wouldn't have noticed…?
If she were anything but human, there would have been some remark (no matter how convoluted) from River. And probably more than once. After all, she reads Inara's thoughts. They share the limited space of the ship for months on end. River might be a 'little crazy person', but nothing gets by the reader like a person who ain't really a person.
She'd have to be superior to the point of sweeping the legs out from under much of the continuing plots and subplots to get past any of these issues, let alone all of them.
All of this is academic though, since she's a woman.
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Puppets on strings, dancey dancey dance.
Writers aren't too old to play with dolls. Joss likes his dolls brooding, angsty, and whining.
Then he lights them on fire.
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Originally posted by yellowjacket:
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For her to be a synthetic person we would have to set aside those remarks made by several writers from the show and Joss himself. She is a woman. Firefly is classical storytelling about people from different sides of the tracks. While it is a sci-fi, it is still high noon in space. War veteran/cowboy meets high society/city girl.
Besides, we'd have to consider her on a level completely beyond and outside the Lenore comparison. After all, she's made with tear ducts built in and programmed/self aware to cry alone in a corner of the whore house out of sense of jealous loss in the moment.
She'd have to be above and beyond superior to eat and drink everything she consumed during the series, from hot tea to protein cakes.
And why make a 'love bot-android-construct-what-have-you' filled with blood? So that rough customers or border authorities would be fooled?
A machine or synthetic construct that Simon (a remarkably young, genius, medical doctor) wouldn't have noticed…?
If she were anything but human, there would have been some remark (no matter how convoluted) from River. And probably more than once. After all, she reads Inara's thoughts. They share the limited space of the ship for months on end. River might be a 'little crazy person', but nothing gets by the reader like a person who ain't really a person.
She'd have to be superior to the point of sweeping the legs out from under much of the continuing plots and subplots to get past any of these issues, let alone all of them.
All of this is academic though, since she's a woman.
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A machine or synthetic construct that Simon (a remarkably young, genius, medical doctor) wouldn't have noticed…?
Now you mention it. Did Simon ever examine Inara? I don't think he did, and I distinctly remember Inara refusing to allow him to examin her in 'Our Mrs Reynolds'. Thereafter the opportunity never arose again.. Did it?
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