Meanwhile, back in Libya

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SIGNYM

Monday, August 22, 2011 4:25 PM

Egypt will work out its internal rights and politics soon enough. The military caretaker government is not about to stand in the way of millions of angry Egyptians.

The bigger problem is the economy. So far, the military government has done one RIGHT thing, and that is to refuse a loan offered by the IMF (June 25, 2011). However, in order for economy to become unleashed, they need to shake off the corruption that is sapping every aspect of production.

GEEZER

Monday, August 22, 2011 5:18 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Geezer, you sound like a disappointed lover!

Hey, you're the one Pres. Obama and the Dems are cheating on.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

NIKI2

Tuesday, August 23, 2011 5:11 PM

Weird this slipped way down the list, nobody's interested? Been watching the news; they've taken Ghadafi's compound and are going room to room looking for family members. They're no doubt long gone by now, but it's fascinating to watch.

The journalist was saying they were driving toward Tripoli when the rebels first got in there, and saw many, many people WALKING to the city, hitching rides, etc. He said you'd see small groups of five or six people, and only three of them would have guns, the others were going to the fight without arms. Apparently when Ghadafi's miltary retreats, they leave EVERYTHING behind, so most of the rebels are armed with stuff they've taken from his army.

Had a thought: Egypt went down relatively fast, and with the help of the army were relatively organized, yet they're still trying to sort out a government, there was looting right after they won, etc. Lybia's been at it since February, much more a popular uprising wihtout leaders, against much higher odds, yet they've already formed a government (which has been recognized by the UN), are working on a constitution, and (so far) there's been no looting or mob rule. Interesting.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

NIKI2

Tuesday, August 23, 2011 5:14 PM

Sig, I agree.

I find it interesting that the right is SO contrary that they can't even give Obama credit for making the right decision in this matter. I hear them saying "It's nice, but we should have gone in and it would have been over long ago", even some of those who said we shouldn't be involved AT ALL originally. From what I've heard, not a one has said much good about Obama or that he made the right decision with "no boots on the ground", resulting in not one American death. Truly the right has come to a sad place.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

SIGNYM

Tuesday, August 23, 2011 8:06 PM

The problem is, Gaddafi actually had (has?) support: from his tribe and an allying tribe (Can't remember which one) which between the two of them made up about half of the population.

If the new PTB don't govern evenhandedly, then Libya will just be set up for another power see-saw. And I suspect that the new PTB will wind up taking loans from the IMF and/or the World Bank. I hope not, because that is the road to ruination.

DREAMTROVE

Tuesday, August 23, 2011 8:20 PM

Geezer,

good point, too true.

Mike,

I assume they thought this one through and are able to pull out support from anyone who doesn't hand them the oil and sign the trade treaties. Passed that, they don't care.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

RIONAEIRE

Wednesday, August 24, 2011 12:33 AM

Well I'm glad the rebels got it together and are getting somewhere with more of a plan and strategy, good for them! As to whether, or how much, America had to do with that I don't know. I still say we shouldn't have sent troops. Maybe an advisor or two, but not troops, we're already bogged down in Iraq and Afghanistan, I have a two war limit.

But I hope things improve from here and the people get what they want. And I do think the people should be the ones trying Qadaffi, not the UN, because the people he's wronged should get to determine his punishment.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

KWICKO

Wednesday, August 24, 2011 4:08 AM

Riona, last I heard there AREN'T U.S. troops in Libya, unless they're there by dint of being shot down.

Have you heard something I haven't?

Mind you, I don't discount that we WILL have troops in Libya at some point, especially if this whole regime-change thing doesn't go quite as we hope...

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

FREMDFIRMA

Wednesday, August 24, 2011 6:17 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
If the new PTB don't govern evenhandedly, then Libya will just be set up for another power see-saw. And I suspect that the new PTB will wind up taking loans from the IMF and/or the World Bank. I hope not, because that is the road to ruination.

Oh come now, you know they already agreed to, if they hadn't, we'd have been bombing THEM.

That said, I ain't buyin anybodys story of events just yet, some of this stuff comes off a little hinky, and the one guy I am in contact on the ground there (such as is possible with language barriers..) hates both "sides" and says they're all fulla shit.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

NIKI2

Wednesday, August 24, 2011 4:23 PM

Sig, Ghadaffi has been screaming about the "hoards" of his supporters who are going to show up and destroy the rebels for a long, long time now...and nobody's shown up. Definitely he might make it back to his own city and they might well support him, but thus far, there have been no "masses" of supporters who have come to his aid. Then again, he's been promising volcanoes and lava lately, too, and those haven't shown up either...yet.

From what I've been hearing/reading, the mercenaries he's had doing his dirty work have kind of melted away when the rebels got to Tripoli, so tho' if he manages to get out, he might find backing for an insurrection (gawd forbid), I don't see anyone coming to save him in the current siuation.

Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off

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