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What is Book Hiding and about River & Simons Parents

POSTED BY: piratejenny
UPDATED: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 02:34
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Wednesday, August 11, 2004 8:22 AM

Book is the offical man of mystery...Book seems to know alot more then what he's telling..I've watched him he's doing a whole lot more then shepherding..like in War stories when he insist on going with Zoey and Jayne... and how he seems to know alot about certain dubious charactors the only one who really seems to have picked up on it is Jayne..its always fun speculating..does anyone have any theorys...about what Book is up to double agent perhaps..

and River and Simons parents in Safe we got to see them in Simon's flashbacks

I thought it was odd that they seemed indiffrent to simons growing concerns especially since they knew how close their bond is ..they completely blew him off...seeing as how they had a young daughter away at school one would think they would have made some inqueries if only to appease Simon's concern

so I'm wondering did they know what was happening with River were they scared that Simon would interfer

and if so why would they keep it a secret are they in on it..is there somthing they know about River that Simon doesn't..does Simon know more about River then what he's saying

I would love to hear peoples speculations and theories on all of these subjects

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Wednesday, August 11, 2004 8:46 AM

recall Mrs Renolds ?


Book, he does know quiet a bit about crime, electrical-magnetic nets and how firefly ships got turned into scrap metal

Shepherd wasn't always such a passive preacher


As for Simon and River, I suspect those other experiments were to produce a couple of little mental monsters..children of the corn style, except Simon's startin' to solve the mystery and River is not on their side

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Wednesday, August 11, 2004 9:05 AM

Great idea about the Tam's being in on some sort of "gifted" child breeding program. Simon would have seemed like a real success until River came along. Interesting.

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Thursday, August 12, 2004 5:54 PM

Book is hiding his past for some reason. I don't think that it is just the fact that he had another career before becoming a preacher because I don't think he would be so secretive about it. He would just come out and say that he was a cop or a spy or something and then he decided on a career change. Book probably has a mission on Serenity and it's not just to save Mal's soul.

As for Simon's parents, I would like to see more of them in the movie in order to find out why they didn't support Simon in his effort to save River. They probably could have brought a court case for River because she is there daughter and saved Simon from taking the drastic measure of kidnapping her from the Academy. I wonder what it would have cost them because the Academy was breaking their family apart by destroying their daughter.

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Thursday, August 12, 2004 11:49 PM

The moment that really convinced me that Book is hiding something was the scene in OiS where River reads his mind. He was thinking something like "I don't give a hump if you're innocent or not". He's either an ex-cop who never used to care about getting the right person, or he's a thoroughly nasty piece of work.
As for River, maybe she's a sleeper agent, brainwashed to become a killer on command (which could be Books secret mission). That's purely an assumption though.
I think her parents did know what was happening at the academy. the selective breeding idea sounds very plausible, but they could just be being bribed or blackmailed.

"Gorramit Mal... I've forgotten my line."

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Friday, August 13, 2004 12:12 AM

all very good questions!! and probably the reason i'm so obsessed. i want answers too!!
what is book hiding?? who was he? who will he turn out to be? good guy or bad guy? i've said it before, he worries me. i want to believe he's a changed man, a good man. but i worry that whatever his dark past is will hurt our bdh's.
and rivers and simons parents?? were they just the obvious stupid parents or is something more sinister at work here? what do they know? what did blue hands do to river? was she made to kill? kill who? blue sun? her father?
so many questions.
i love this show!!

"They say the snow on the roof is too heavy. They say the ceiling will cave in. His brains are in terrible danger."

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Friday, August 13, 2004 12:59 AM

OK, in the Jossverse not so much, but in RL parents say all *kinds* of things when they're angry. So just because Gabriel Tam told Simon that that was the last time he was going to bail him out doesn't mean that they're not doing everything they can to find their children and help them.

...unless of course they sold River to the bad guys and wisely didn't mention it to Simon.

...or unless, like Dawn, she just suddenly appeared so they have no more clue than Hank Summers did about Dawn.

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Friday, August 13, 2004 2:10 AM

My theory is that Book is allied with the group that sprung River. Clearly they didn't do it just for money; they contacted Simon, after all.

Remember in "Serenity", when Book says to Simon, "Take her----keep her safe!" with such urgency?

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Friday, August 13, 2004 3:38 AM

I don't know how many times I had seen that episode until it finally came to me- maybe the Tams knew what was happening to River and they didn't want Simon to muck everything up. "Why" you may be asking well my friends I have no idea but I have a feeling. YES! thats right a feeling that the Tams knew the entire time. And as for Book, I have no clue.

Shamrock (ignore the grammar I'm extremely lazy)

"Jayne, grab your weapon"

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Friday, August 13, 2004 6:01 AM

Hey! That's a cool little notion. I think that would be great to see some kind of connection between Book and River. They are two the most unpredictable characters and only predictable in the fact that the viewer is definitely sure to expect the unexpected from them. It's like Mal retains nobility, Zoe is a warrior woman, Wash is an ace pilot, Kaylee is the warm hearted mechanic, Simon the logical and composed doctor, Jayne is the handsomely devilish or devilishly handsome brute, and Inara is the elegant faith and hope. And in true dramatic fashion, Joss flips our perception of every character and shows us an atypical side to all of them. The softhearted, the loving wife, the courageous, remorseful, etc. Expect the unexpected.

But for River and Book, it's the crazy genius and the passive preacher and loads more.

*Sigh* Darned network men. I cringe thinking about not getting a chance to find out about the real Shepard Book because Firefly was canceled.

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