Simon and River the Real love story

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UPDATED: Sunday, August 15, 2004 03:18
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PIRATEJENNY

Thursday, August 12, 2004 10:22 PM

I did watch the comemmtary on the DvD..but I honestly didn't know that they said that, I guess I'm going to have to watch it again..thats pretty awesome because thats just the feeling that I got from watching the River and Simon scenes

thanks for the welcome

KARENKAY99

Thursday, August 12, 2004 11:37 PM

welcome piratejenny!!
i think simons dedication to river is summed up in safe when simon says 'light it'. he would give his life for her.
bummer, i'm an only child. i want a brother like simon!!

"They say the snow on the roof is too heavy. They say the ceiling will cave in. His brains are in terrible danger."

AZIRAPHALE

Friday, August 13, 2004 12:55 AM

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Originally posted by karenkay99:
i think simons dedication to river is summed up in safe when simon says 'light it'. he would give his life for her.

No disrespect meant, but I don't think that's what was happening there. Simon would, indeed, give his life to save River; in a way, he has—we're shown and told repeatedly how much he willingly—willingly!—sacrificed to save his little sister. He threw himself at Dobson and twice at Early, armed men he knew to be ruthless, to give River just that more of a chance of survival.

That said, his stepping onto the platform in "Safe" didn't feel like that to me. He knew they'd burn him, too, just to be rid of the "witch"; he knew she'd die regardless of what he did, and instead of standing by and watching, instead of facing a life without her, he chose to die at her side.

The real love story, indeed. Whatever's between Simon and Kaylee can too easily be written off as lust and the result of limited choices (but for both of them: the only other women Simon knows are married, professional, or blood to him, but the only other men Kaylee knows are married, her captain, celibate, and, well, Jayne—too ruthless, too much the asshole big brother for her to see him as a potential mate. Simon was tactless and stupid to put it so bluntly in "The Message", but he's not the only one in that situation.); Mal and Inara's mutual infatuation would have to move beyond the junior-high-school realm of goo-goo eyes and bickering for me to take it seriously (I'd love to see it happen, but for now I just want to scream "grow up" and make them play spin the bottle or something.)

Wash and Zoe are adorable, charming, and obviously very much in love, but theirs isn't much of a "story": they're already living (tolerably) happily ever after. Simon and River have just re-discovered each other, and as close as they may have been before she left for the Academy, I think they've gone light-years beyond that since their reunion.

For me, the Simon/River interaction is the emotional heart of the show. If the series had continued long enough to fully develop Mal's disillusionment and loss of faith, I don't doubt it would have taken precedent, but the Tams's situation got more screen time than his did in the first season, and so I connected with their situation more. River's desparate clinging to her brother in the pilot, his unwavering devotion to her in "Safe", the lengths he goes to in "Arial", and his aforementioned tendency to fling himself bodily at armed men on her behalf: all of it gives me a lump in the throat.

Simon would die for her, absolutely. But what we see in "Safe" is that he'd also choose to die with her.

SHINYSEVEN

Friday, August 13, 2004 1:04 AM

I think we have to read "Safe" in light of "The Gift" and "Once More With Feeling"--quite literally:
Now through the smoke she calls to me
To make my way across the flame
To save the day
Or maybe melt away--
I guess it's all the same.

Simon truly loves River, and truly goes to extremes for her (although I think that Oobjects in Space he's as much defending Kaylee as River). But in Out of Gas, they aren't clinging to each other--in fact they're not together at all. The Jossverse has a lot to show us about the extent to which heroism and suicidal tendencies are two sides of the same coin--I think that in Safe, Simon has just had all he can take, and he is sacrificing himself, but also at the end of his rope (like post-resurrection Buffy).

PURPLEBELLY

Friday, August 13, 2004 6:14 AM

In Serenity Simon is prepared to challenge Zoe to defend River.

PIRATEJENNY

Sunday, August 15, 2004 2:56 AM

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Simon would die for her, absolutely. But what we see in "Safe" is that he'd also choose to die with her.

that is so so beautiful , because its so true, as we've seen from Safe that River and Simon were well connected even before she was taken by the Blue Sun group

I think if she had not been taken their bond would have been just as strong..but probably less obvious to anyone around them.. there is a telling scene in Sernity the 1rst esposide...when Simon is talking about River to the crew ..its as if he's lost in another world he is radient glowing ..he is beaming, its as if only he and his memories of River are the only thing alive the only thing in the room..when he looks around and sees Jayne looking at him in askance( like dude your in love with your sister look)
he snaps out of it...

I do think Simon is in love with River..but not in a sexual way..its more complicated then that more passionate its very pure ..if Simon and River had to sit down and explain their feelings for eachother to someone..I don't think either one would be able to ..

what they feel for eachother is beyond words

also in the deleted scene ..River ask Book to marry her and Simon..now I don't know if River was having a crazy moment..or if she was just going on pure emotion..instinct...or intution

perhaps River sensed in Simon her own desire and need and brought it to Book's attention

I think Simon and River are already married to eachother..via their connection..not married to eachother in a physical way but in an emotional visral way

I don't think either one can live without the other..perhaps it just seems more so because of their situation..their lives under their circumstances became woven so tight..Simon is River's only salvation..and River is Simon's life and light..their life is one, without eachother they both die both physcially and spirtually

you put it so eloquently, Simon didn't just give up his life for her..he was willing to choose to die at her side

PIRATEJENNY

Sunday, August 15, 2004 3:07 AM

LOL

I love fanfic, the porn doesn't bother me, I also post on a LiRic site and you should read some of that fic..I'm no stranger to the smut

PIRATEJENNY

Sunday, August 15, 2004 3:18 AM

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Simon truly loves River, and truly goes to extremes for her (although I think that Oobjects in Space he's as much defending Kaylee as River).

maybe he was defending Kaylee as much as he was River in Objects in the Sky..but only because he could it was more by default..Kaylee's destiny was tied to River's under those circumstances

Simon sums it up well in Objects in the Sky when he tells Early " my last act in this verse is not going to be betraying my sister"

or when River says to Early " I'll be your bounty Early"

She had no intentions of being his bounty, that act would have been a betrayal it would have took away Simon's life his light his spirt

its not to say that if Kaylee was in some dire trouble that Simon wouldn't help her if he could..just as he took up arms to help save Mal in War Stories.....but he would have done so with caution..because simon knows that if he dies then so does River her life is tied to his ans vice versa..they both need eachother to live

if Simon was ever forced to choose between Kaylee and River I think he would choose River.

I think Simon Likes and cares for Kaylee..but River comes 1rst

but its true Simone and Kaylee's choices are limited practiacally none exsistant..Kaylee was also infatuated with Tracy in the message..had he become a part of the crew she would have turned her attentions to him and Simon would not have been fazed

Kaylee is sweet and adoring and she makes goo goo eyes at Simon...there on the same ship..he can't ignore her

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