London Burning
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UPDATED: Friday, November 28, 2025 17:01
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As Frem said, in the first part of his post, I can understand (I wouldn't be willing to do it, but I understand the motivation behind it) going after targets that pertain to the thing that originally started the problem, police brutality. But blowing up things that have nothing to do with it is just stupidity pure and simple. I wouldn't want them to blow up Parliament as such because as Quicko said it is a historic landmark. I'm not the blowing-stuff-up type but I understand the motivation to destroy things that pertain to the thing you think is the problem.
"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya
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Remember, Remember, the 5th of November.
But no, I doubt it will come to that.
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Can't go there with ya, Frem - I'm not down with torching historical landmarks like Parliament.
Now, if that mob wanted to perhaps go to the summer homes of some of the members of Parliament with their torches and pitchforks...
Good point, mind you I can think of a couple other ways to clear a building of unwanted pests/bastards without damage to the furnishings, but I rather suspect you'd like those even less...
I am ambivalent on the whole national landmark thing, but any repository of knowledge is to me, absolutely off-limits, knowledge should always be shared as wide and far as possible so it does not become lost - this is one of the reasons I find our ludicrous copyright law so offensive, just so ya know.
-Frem
I do not serve the Blind God.
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Hey Byte, we had a question about that last night at Geek Trivia, my team got it right.
"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya
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Originally posted by RionaEire:
As Frem said, in the first part of his post, I can understand (I wouldn't be willing to do it, but I understand the motivation behind it) going after targets that pertain to the thing that originally started the problem, police brutality. But blowing up things that have nothing to do with it is just stupidity pure and simple. I wouldn't want them to blow up Parliament as such because as Quicko said it is a historic landmark. I'm not the blowing-stuff-up type but I understand the motivation to destroy things that pertain to the thing you think is the problem.
"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya
Yeah, I'm not really down with violence much to begin with, but I *DO* understand the motivation. There's a sense there of "Okay, you can take away everything I have. You can do that. But what I can do is this: I can make it cost you MORE than you can possibly take from me."
And that's exactly where suicide bombers come from. At a certain point, you've been taken from and written off as useless by society, so what more have you got to lose?
I'm of the opinion that if you're that miserable as a person, then you have the right to take yourself out of the game, but you DO NOT have the right to try to take out everyone else.
I've said it about suicide bombers and I'll say it about these rioters: I'm not down with your actions, but I hear where you're coming from. I understand how you got to this point, but if it were me, I'd find another way.
"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
No power was ever given up by the powerful to the powerless without the threat of significant loss.
Unfortunately, they're not causing the government any loss, but their neighbors are paying the price.
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Three men have been run over and killed as they protected property in a second night of violence in Birmingham.
The men aged 31, 30 and 21 were hit by a car in Winson Green. They were taken to City Hospital where about 200 people from the Asian community gathered.
Witnesses said the men were in a group protecting their community after riot police were called into the city.
Police have arrested a 32-year-old man who is being questioned on suspicion of murder following the deaths.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-14471405
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Unfortunately I have never been able to find a particular clip of the LA riots - it was a aerial view of tens of thousands of people streaming down the street at an amble to go loot - in Pasadena, miles from Watts - while a very thin blue line of police stood to the side and watched.
Remember the 2010 student riots in England over fee hikes? The riots were certainly political and well-aimed.
"There have been violent scenes as tens of thousands of people protested against plans to treble tuition fees and cut university funding in England.
Demonstrators stormed a building in Westminster housing the Conservative Party headquarters, smashed windows and got on to the roof."
Remember the French riots of 2005 and 2010?
"France braces for riots as protests turn violent
By John Lichfield in Paris
Tuesday, 19 October 2010
A menacing new spectre hung over the French pension reform dispute yesterday – the threat of a re-run of the multi-racial suburban riots of five years ago."
And what's wrong with that? People SHOULD be pissed at being ground down just to make a few obscenely rich. However much or little riots achieve, they SHOULD make the government afraid of its people.
It is the extremists who give legitimacy to the moderates, not the other way around.
BTW - what I find really stupid and more than a little crazy is that here in the good ole' USofA where the people are either torpid or cowed, what the politicos fear most is LOSS OF APPEARANCE OF LEGITIMACY, which is why they screw around with the vote so much - when they don't need to be afraid at all, given that many don't vote.
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From an organic chef and an opera house steward to an 11-year-old boy, a surprising picture has emerged of some of the alleged troublemakers behind Britain's worst riots for decades.
The first court appearances of more than 1000 people arrested suggests a broad cross-section of society took part in the riots and looting, including university students and members of the upper-middle class.
In London alone, 805 people had been arrested in connection with violence, disorder and looting and 251 have been charged.
Fitzroy Thomas, a 43-year-old organic chef, was accused with his brother Ronald, 47, of smashing up a branch of the Nando's chicken restaurant chain in Clapham, south London, the Times daily reported.
The pair pleaded not guilty in a London magistrates court and were remanded in custody, the paper said.
Shame file ... London's Daily Telegraph has published pictures of the accused, including, from left, the 11-year-old boy, Richard Myles-Palmer and Alexis Bailey,
Shame file ... London's Daily Telegraph has published pictures of the accused, including, from left, the 11-year-old boy, Richard Myles-Palmer and Alexis Bailey,
Nan Asante, 19, who recently started work as a steward at an outdoor opera venue in the upmarket London district of Holland Park, reportedly pleaded not guilty to looting a supermarket in the capital.
The Telegraph reported that an 11-year-old boy, who cannot be named, was chased by his aunt and mother down the street and dragged back by the scruff of his neck after he appeared in court. He was bailed over charges of looting a Debenhams department store in Romford, Essex.
He had been in custody for two days and had been arrested with a mob of 20 other children. The boy admitted stealing a waste bin worth £50 ($75).
Another alleged rioter was a student at Essex University near London, Banye Kanon, 20, according to reports, which said other suspects included a youth worker and a forklift truck driver.
Laura Johnson, the 19-year-old daughter of a successful company director who lives in a sprawling Kent farmhouse, was accused of looting electrical goods worth £5000.
Johnson, The Telegraph reported, is an English and Italian undergraduate at the University of Exeter and had previously attended the fourth-best state school in the country.
Her parents, Robert and Lindsay, run Avongate, a direct marketing company, but Mr Johnson was also a director of a company that took over the Daily Sport and Sunday Sport newspapers in 2007. A neighbour, who asked not to be named, said: "I just wouldn't expect someone from round here to be accused of this."
Alexis Bailey, 31, a worker at a primary school, admitted being part of a mob that tried to loot an electrical shop in Croydon, The Telegraph reported.
Bailey left court with a newspaper over his face, a headline about "copycat cretins" covering his eyes, and walked into a lamp post.
Another man, who The Telegraph reported had a substantial criminal record, adhered more to Prime Minister David Cameron's lament about "sickness" in British society. Richard Myles-Palmer was found wheeling a shopping trolley full of stolen power tools through south London.
The apparent involvement of such people in the riots will only deepen the debate over who and what was behind the outbreak of violence.
As The Guardian newspaper pointed out: "There is no simple answer to the question: who are the rioters?"
While many were young men from poor areas, the rioters came from different racial groups, women also joined in and the ages of those involved ranged from their teens to their 40s, said the paper.
Many commentators saw an element of opportunism, as police lost control of the streets to hooded gangs, others helped themselves from shops after windows were smashed.
But gangs of hooded youths from deprived areas were undoubtedly some of the main participants in the trouble, leading some to conclude that society's failure to integrate poor communit
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2024284/UK-riots-2011-Libera
l-dogma-spawned-generation-brutalised-youths.html
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Guess this story has passed out of the collective consciousness of those gathered here.
Noone has mentioned that the catalyst of this hooliganism, was started because the Brits shot a guy who they thought might have been armed.. (gun control works, really)
Look at the future folks. Britain is a libs wet dream. Look where it got them. Or Norway (in terms of gun control).
When are we, as Americans, going to finally reject these fools?
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