Technology: The Good and the Bad
POSTED BY: Niki2
UPDATED: Saturday, August 13, 2011 06:57
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Yay, you've left me with little to add, beyond just how pathetic a load of bullshit the endless demonisation of youth is - I just compiled traffic accident studies today regarding data from the nearest three zip codes, and the primary cause of driver-error accidents isn't teenieboppers, nope, it's the very SELF SAME age and income group that's been demonising them!
Annnnnd I will be handing it around to some folk at UofM tomorrow, then getting my ass out of dodge before the sparks start flying! 
FOR SCIENCE!
Nice to see you again, Y-Y, would you like to join me and Bytes informal mad science club ?
We have cookies....
-Frem
good golly i'm evil...
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Sometimes the ability to be moderate takes a while to learn, which is why parents are supposed to help kids to develop this ability so when they're grown they can start practicing it on their own without having someone look over their shoulder. I'm down to one pitcher of cherry kool-aid a month, yeah I know its bad for me but I've loved the stuff since I was nine months old and stopped breastfeeding because of how yummy it was to me. But in the last several years I've been cutting back and now I think I'm doing well as far as that goes. Now to work on eating less candy.
"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya
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Oh my, Yin...I didn't catch that they'd REphrased it like that! I just look around for stuff to put up that might get a discussion going; thank you for clarifying on that one! I was tired and just took the stuff I found for granted (my bad). And that's a wonderful point about kids self-medicating who already have disorders, as someone with a disorder, boy, does that make sense to ME!
Okay, all in all, article = trash, mea culpa, my "fail" (Raptor should love that one!), 'nuff said.
Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off 
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No worries, Niki. It's such a small detail, I can understand how you (and probably the article writer, editor, etc.) missed it. And I don't think this was a total fail - it got me to de-lurk, after all. 
Quote:
Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
[...] large chunks of the population of the western world have asses that you could trampoline on [...]
This seems like an unnecessary, inflammatory thing to say. I normally don't point that out in RWED, given that so many posters seem to thrive on being as inflammatory as possible, but I was surprised to see from you, Magons. I think the "obesity crisis" is total BS, but even if it weren't, I don't think portraying fat people as grotesque (even in jokes or hyperbole) is acceptable.
With regards to moderation in general: it seems to me like "moderation" is mostly used as an empty buzzword, just another subtle way to try to police or shame people for their health (with the added bonus of being vague almost to the point of meaninglessness). I don't think that's how people are using it in this thread, and if it works for you, great - to each their own - but I find discussions around health to be so fraught and toxic these days that I'm not sure any general advice other than "do what you like" is helpful.
Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Nice to see you again, Y-Y, would you like to join me and Bytes informal mad science club ?
We have cookies....
Well, I'm not much of a scientist, but I am quite mad. So, yes.
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Originally posted by yinyang:
This seems like an unnecessary, inflammatory thing to say. I normally don't point that out in RWED, given that so many posters seem to thrive on being as inflammatory as possible, but I was surprised to see from you, Magons. I think the "obesity crisis" is total BS, but even if it weren't, I don't think portraying fat people as grotesque (even in jokes or hyperbole) is acceptable.
You seem on the attack against me today.
I find obesity of western nations offensive, given that most of the world is calorie deprived. We are gluttons, and I include myself in that definition. Go to Asia or Africa and you soon realise how hideous we are lumbering around in shorts and teeshirts with our fat waving in the wind. It is offensive. It's offensive how much we eat and consume and throw away. The world is both our lolly shop our garbage tip and we don't care one whit. So if you want to be offended by my statement, go ahead. I choose to be offended by your preciousness and your defence of the indefendable.
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Two posts, one of which I don't really think was hostile at all, hardly counts as me going on the attack against you. But given how oppositional your views are to mine with regards to obesity, I think I'll just agree to disagree and move on.
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Magons, I'm with you, tho' I see it slightly differently. While I don't consider us gluttons. I consider advertising and waaaay too much choices as contributing to natural human weakness. IF the other countries you mentioned had the choices, resources and were constantly barraged with advertising telling them to "eat, buy, EAT, BUY!", I think they'd be in the same boat as we are. There's also the fact that fast-food is worse and more fattenting, and so many families where the parents both work depend on them, as do an awfully large number of the poor (because McDonald's is cheaper than trying to cook dinner unless you REALLY work at it, if you don't have the money).
But I think the boat we ARE in is a dangerous one and a rather depressing one. Our weight isn't good for us (I speak as the general "our", I don't look like some I see all around me!), it's made up of the wrong things, and our lack of exercise contributes to it. It's our "society", to me, not any one individual's gluttony.
On the flight home from New Orleans (for which I thank you guys yet again!), the guy next to me was enormous...he barely fit into his seat and as a reult, I was forced to sit pushed into him. I kept squirming to try and get as far over as I could, but only by serious effort was I able to put ANY space between us, and then only for a few minutes. I know I offended him, and it wasn't that he was fat, it was that I just couldn't stand being "snuggled" so forcibly against a total stranger. Maybe it means I have some prejudice against overweight people, I dunno, but that's how it FELT, and that was the most exhausting leg of the trip.
I know when I see women, especially young women, walking with their mother and both are HUGE, it upsets me...not a lot, I just notice it and feel sad. All I can think of is how their lives will be determined so much by their weight, and I admit I get a little disgusted at their mother for letting it be that way. If that's prejudice, then I am.
Waiting for my car to be repaired one day, they had the TV on in the waiting room and I was stuck watching this show where that guy (I think from England?) was helping a family, all of whom were morbidly obese. He showed them all kinds of things they could do for the good of the kids, and discovered their little boy was already diabetic. The parents were in tears and swore to change how they fed their kids. They came back six months later and the family had reverted to their old patterns, and the kid was on medication for diabetes. It sickened me; I understand the reasons, but it made me angry at the parents nonetheless.
Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off
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Quote:
Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
It is offensive. It's offensive how much we eat and consume and throw away. The world is both our lolly shop our garbage tip and we don't care one whit.
I disagree - I *do* care, enough so to invest significant time, effort and resources into trying to change that, and change the seriously broken mentality which leads to it.
So coulda ya manage to paint around me with that big brush there, thanks ?
-Frem
I do not serve the Blind God.
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Oh man, enchiladas. Do you know you can make some awesome enchiladas just using the store bought El Paso sauce but adding cinnamon to it? Stuff's delicious. I ate four regular sized tortillas stuffed with vegetables Monday. For extra awesome add cheese or an imitation thereof.
Watch out for Frem's cookies, they have untested psychotropics in them derived from unicorn blood.
Unicorns don't exist normally... Inter dimensional portal technology was involved.
As a side note, unicorn blood tastes suspiciously like El Paso Enchilada Sauce with cinnamon in it. I'll have to conduct further research.
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Yin, I don't know you yet because we haven't talked, but I suspect we will disagree a lot, just puttin that out there now so we can both be prepared for it. I too can't help but notice that you sort of have it in for Magon's today. Not to say that Magon's and I agree on everything, but we seem to have come to an amicable understanding of late and I like her. As far as weight goes I do think it can be a problem when one's health is compromised because of it. Other than that it doesn't really matter to me. But I only saw Magon's comment as just a fly-by-night thing, I didn't read into it at all and its true that we in Western countries do take food for granted and sometimes have too much of it.
Mostly what I find interesting is that Magon's and I seem to be agreeing on things more and more lately and that you don't agree with either of us on stuff, even though she and I have totally different views on the world.
Oh well, time will tell. Hey that rhymes, :)
"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya
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