Fuck the Tea Party
POSTED BY: Niki2
UPDATED: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 23:16
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Kwicko, I like you, but I'm not sure if I consider you 'reasonable' 
Then again, often enough after things calm down and political labels and angry wording are removed I find we are more or less on the same page.
My posts were colored in frustration and tiredness and were directed at niki because I considered her reasonable and the blanket branding of tea partiers, pro-lifers and fundamentalists bothers me.
Far as chiding conservatives go, the hateful unreasonable few are rather obvious and when someone like DT says something outragous y'all usually beat me to it. I don't generally like to repeat has already been said, so there's a fair amount of time I won't post because someone has already written something I agree with. I really wish there was a "like" button for things like that.
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Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:
WULF: Let me ask you a question: what good does ANY union do?
No answer???
Well, WULF? Did you just run out of words, having mindlessly quoted everything that the tea-baggers stuffed into your arsenal? (Given what little room there is in there?)
C'mon, man. Stop bringing your knife to a gun-fight. Given that the currency here is words and ideas... let's see what ya got.
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HappyTrader, there are only a few "reasonable" conservatives around these parts, far as I can tell: Jongsstraw, Anthony. Maybe Hardware, altho HW seems to come off more as an aspiring technocrat. I'm beginning to wonder whether there ARE many reasonable conservatives anymore. Seems like a breed being killed off by the Tea-baggers. Sorry to say.
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So while there are very few reasonable conservatives to be found, there are at least twenty-four different kinds of "libertarians"...
"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill
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Quote:See, if this was a democrats you were talking about, the first thing you would say is Can't they make a move without consulting an opinion poll? Not that you have a wildly obvious double standard or anything!
Well, one can only hope they're kowtowing and scared.
AFA being afraid... if anyone should be afraid, it's you. Because you're a mean-spirited, greedy bastard that nearly everyone would recognize as a mortal enemy. So don't get too comfortable on your imaginary throne there, buddy-boy.
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Kwicko, too true!
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Quote:Yep, that's our Woofie-boy. No answers of his own. depends on others to do his thinking for him.
Well, WULF? Did you just run out of words, having mindlessly quoted everything that the tea-baggers stuffed into your arsenal? (Given what little room there is in there?)
C'mon, man. Stop bringing your knife to a gun-fight. Given that the currency here is words and ideas... let's see what ya got.
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Actually...
I can't really say what good unions do. The last time I worked in a job which had a union, I was in my teens.
I will say that unions do have some good points. Worker safety, for example.
Yet, when unions gain TOO much power, they screw everyone and everything. The company, the consumer, even the workers themselves.
"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"
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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Actually...
I can't really say what good unions do. The last time I worked in a job which had a union, I was in my teens.
I will say that unions do have some good points. Worker safety, for example.
Which is ironic, given the actions of the Republicans in the House regarding the FAA at the moment, and their efforts to bar air traffic controllers from joining unions in order to fight for better working conditions in order to improve the safety of every air traveler...
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Yet, when unions gain TOO much power, they screw everyone and everything. The company, the consumer, even the workers themselves.
The same can be said of corporations and industry in general, can't it?
I'm actually not even trying to argue with you on this, Wulfie; I'm semi-agreeing with you, believe it or not, but pointing out some of the finer points that you may be overlooking. I look to unions as a check on the power of corporations, the same way I look at regulations as another kind of check on that power.
Without unions and regulation, we know for a fact, a 100% certainty, that the corporations absolutely WILL abuse the workers, abuse the customers, pollute the environment, and more. How do we know this? Because they have a proven track record of doing exactly these things every time they are given free rein to do them.
"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill
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Happy, I will admit shamefacedly that I suspected your comment was because I DO try to be one of the "lesser offenders" so you expected better of me. I should have just said that and let it go, but I also admit my self-control slips when someone calls me on that stuff, considering how much less I do it than some others.
On the other hand, when I came here and up until recently, it was LIBERALS who were treated the worst here on RWED. One of the reasons I came here was because of the really, REALLY ugly treatment they get on the other Firefly forum, which truly rocked me back on my heels. This place was better, and survivable. Recently the right-wing voices seem to have disappeared except for Raptor, Wulf, Kane and a few others who pop in now and again, so yes, it seems like it's not very kind to them. But I guarantee it was the other way around for a long, long time.
And I don't consider Mike "reasonable" either, he and Sig are the two worst offenders on the liberal side (I don't count Frem only because he's not a "liberal" per se), and every effort I've made to try to get Mike to mellow out has been for naught. For me, it's a bummer to see those on the liberal side behave almost as badly as our righties; they/I never approach the kind of gutter trash as that from the right, but come awfully close at times.
At any rate, dinna fash yerself, laddie; thanx for calling me out. I have to keep going back again and again to remind myself that I don't want to be like them...over time I start responding more and more like them, and I don't want to, so the reminder is much appreciated. And boy oh boy oh boy, do I understand your frustration! I get equally frustrated with the ones on BOTH sides who seem unable to communicate, only to hurl nastiness at one another.
Nonetheless, when it comes to "Fuck the Tea Party", it IS how I feel. All they have brought to our politics and government truly sickens me, and the Republicans not standing up to them is immensely frustrating.
Please don't ever get so frustrated you leave; I treasure your voice, along with some others.
Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off 
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