Core Overload?

POSTED BY: SignyM
UPDATED: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 00:42
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1KIKI

Sunday, July 10, 2011 5:28 AM

H-W

The difference between then and now, for you, is baseline shift. What used to be unacceptable is now normal. It goes like this:

Wow that was a bad H2 explosion.

Didn't that have MOX? It didn't look like the other H2 explosions.

No one seems to be reporting anything bad.

You know, no major evacuations, no reports of massive radiation in Japan. If there was fallout here, we'd hear about it anyway. I guess. I hope.

It's been a while. Still no news of anything real bad. I guess they're coping OK with the melt downs.

Melt throughs. Whatever. I wonder if Pacific fish will be good. Maybe I won't eat salmon for a while.
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If corium hits the water table and explodes in one giant steam explosion, I think you'll be here saying ... see. that wasn't so bad.

HARDWARE

Sunday, July 10, 2011 4:28 PM

No, the difference is you presume everyone is lying to you and is against you. I give the benefit of doubt until it is proven they are lying.

Some might call you paranoid.

But back to the issue at hand. Has Fort Calhoun melted down and killed us all?

It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so, and will follow it by suppressing opposition, subverting all education to seize early the minds of the young, and by killing, locking up, or driving underground all heretics - RAH

...and he that has no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36

SIGNYM

Sunday, July 10, 2011 5:32 PM

Hardware

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No, the difference is you presume everyone is lying to you and is against you. I give the benefit of doubt until it is proven they are lying.

I am going to provide you with a link (I can provide several, but I'm short of time) PROVING there is an ongoing conspiracy to downplay Fukushima. But like a good technocrat, it will not change your mind. From the horse's mouth, by leaked email:

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Leaked Emails Reveal Government Conspiracy To Downplay Fukushima Nuclear Disaster

leaked emails show the officials the government conspiring with the nuclear industry to come up with a plan, not to protect the health and safety of the public, but to prevent damage to the nuclear industry by keeping the severity of the disaster from the public.

http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2011/07/03/guardian-leaked-emails-rev
eal-government-conspiracy-downplay-fukushima-nuclear-disaster-32731/

Technology is always at the behest of politics. Please read "The Mismeasure of Man" by Stephen J Gould, Harvard University professor.

So the question is... are you a scientist, or a technocrat? The scientist never stop asking questions. The technocrat stops questions.

HARDWARE

Sunday, July 10, 2011 6:37 PM

Change my mind about what? That 3 reactors suffered partial or total meltdowns that depending on the unit, may have gone all the way through the containment structure? That's what the latest credible information has already said.

Asking questions is not the same as believing every hack that comes along with "secret documents". If you're going to do that you may as well subscribe to PN's "news" feed.

It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so, and will follow it by suppressing opposition, subverting all education to seize early the minds of the young, and by killing, locking up, or driving underground all heretics - RAH

...and he that has no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36

SIGNYM

Sunday, July 10, 2011 7:04 PM

WHEN did you change your mind, HW? When officials told you to? The test of real knowledge is being able to PREDICT. Were you able to? Or were you always behind the curve?

Of course, if you don't like the news you'll believe source is "a hack'. I assure you, the Guardian is not a hack newspaper. I suggest that you validate your own personal opinion before you discard data. I don't believe in PN's faerie tales, nor DT's. Occasionally, they are brilliant. Mostly, I filter the chunkies. Do you even know the players? Before you decide who to trust and what to discard, do some due diligence. You might find that you're wrong. Be scientific about it. Follow the data, but don't limit your scope of inquiry.

As an aside, I am often asked to evaluate data. Many times, I have nothing more than a complex table of numbers to look at... a 20 X 30 X 10 X"X"array... From tables of numbers, I have been able to deduce that thee labs were involved in particular test (WSPA was profoundly surprised), or that an analysis was saturated, or that a particular project had especially robust data. I'm very careful with data. You should be too. Empty your mind and let the data speak to you.

SIGNYM

Sunday, July 10, 2011 9:13 PM

So, Hardware... I showed your post to a friend of mine who's spent 35 years doing research for a major university, and this is what he said (paraphrased):

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No, the difference is you presume everyone is lying to you and is against you. I give the benefit of doubt until it is proven they are lying.

Scientists don't credit "opinion", nor do they presume that anyone is "lying" or telling "the truth". Science isn't based on either.

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Some might call you paranoid.

Did Galileo care what the Church called him? Science is neither democracy, nor is it a popularity contest.

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But back to the issue at hand. Has Fort Calhoun melted down and killed us all?

No one claimed that ft Calhoun was going to "kill us all". You wouldn't be trying to set up a straw man argument, would you?

Anyway, just FYI.

KWICKO

Sunday, July 10, 2011 9:47 PM

In other words, HW, we should all listen to our government, all the time, correct?

How could that ever go wrong?

Gulf of Tonkin.
Pentagon Papers.
Watergate.
Iran-Contra.
Ruby Ridge.
Waco.
WMD.

... and the beat goes on...

Kind of surprised to hear that you're so dead-set against questioning the "official" story in all instances.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

KWICKO

Sunday, July 10, 2011 9:54 PM

BTW, you claim that Fukushima was our "1 in 1000" times at being right.

I have to ask, can you show me ONE SINGLE TIME where I've said, and I quote your words attributed to all who disagree with you here: "We're all going to die!!!!11111!!!" ?

Can you show me that post where I ever claimed that? Even one time out of a thousand would do.

I think you've either got your head wedged all the way up your ass, or you're engaging in more than a little bit of hyperbole in trying to accuse others of engaging in hyperbole.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

FREMDFIRMA

Sunday, July 10, 2011 11:26 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
The test of real knowledge is being able to PREDICT.

Fat lotta good that did Cassandra, and believe me, I know how she felt - there's really no comfort in being right about such awful things, but what really, really grinds my gears, is when the same folk who dismissed and scoffed and mocked and shouted down... come back, long after it's too goddamn LATE to do anything useful about the situation, with half-hearted apologies and beg advice!
I won't even paraphrase my response to that, but be assured it's damn nasty.

Worse is being consistently, tho not perfectly, accurate over a long period of time...
(And I wish, I WISH, I was wrong more often)
And still getting immediately shouted down without an ounce of consideration for that fact, again and again.

So while it may be a test of knowledge, Siggy, it's not very damn USEFUL when folks are so blind, shortsighted, and full of wishful thinking that having that knowledge doesn't mean accomplishing anything with it cause they'd rather go on believing in faery tales till it comes back and bites them on the ass personally...
And then they have the nerve to come to me and fuckin whine about it, when their own actions helped cause it by kneecapping the folks who WERE trying to prevent it.

I really don't have enough understanding of how nuclear plants and radiation works to comment directly on the situation - but I did feel the need to point out that without anyone willing to listen, the knowledge, the ability to predict - it buys ya nothing, changes nothing.

As to why folks do this, it's simple, those three little words no one wants to say, murders, wars, all manner of hell happens cause no one ever wants to say "I was wrong." - something I consider moronic cause most of the times I have been, I was damn glad to be so!
But it goes deeper than that, when folks start investing their lives, their very beliefs in a system, be it religious, political or what have you, cause to admit they were lied to, to admit they were duped....

That means admitting some percentage of their entire life has been based on a lie.
And the bigger that percentage is, the harder that admission becomes, to where you get folk like Rappy, to whom reality itself is not sufficient to convince them.

And the ones you DO manage to convince, they'll hate you for it, the emotional version of shooting the messenger cause they don't like the message.

So having the knowledge isn't enough, you have to have the ability to thread it through the needle of their own "issues" and emotional investments to reach whatever thought-process they actually use, if any, in order to have any impact on a situation - and most of those ways, they ain't very nice, doll.

Just sayin.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

KWICKO

Monday, July 11, 2011 2:27 AM

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Fat lotta good that did Cassandra, and believe me, I know how she felt - there's really no comfort in being right about such awful things, but what really, really grinds my gears, is when the same folk who dismissed and scoffed and mocked and shouted down... come back, long after it's too goddamn LATE to do anything useful about the situation, with half-hearted apologies and beg advice!

Worse yet, is when after you've been proven completely correct, they all want to sit around and say, "Well, nobody could have foreseen this turn of events" and "Surely this is no time for placing blame and finger-pointing!"

You know who says it's no time to place blame and point fingers? The ones who know goddamned well they're to blame.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

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