Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

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FREMDFIRMA

Thursday, June 23, 2011 9:36 PM

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Originally posted by SkyDiveLife:
Unless the gun came with a force-field, and some sort of auto-aiming... (if so, I would like to know where I can get one of those!)

The Weapon Shops of Isher, actually.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Weapon_Shops_of_Isher

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Van Vogt's guns have virtually magical properties, and can only be used in self-defense.

Said properties specifically including exactly those two features.

-Frem
"The right to buy weapons is the right to be free"

KWICKO

Friday, June 24, 2011 12:10 AM

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Am I going to have to be the first one to say it?

The chick is cute.

So a "slim, built hismexican" robbed the store?

Im surprised. Shocked. Horrified.

Oh wait...

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

Isn't your wife a "hismexican"?

Does she rob a lot of stores? Or would you just not be surprised if she did?

KWICKO

Friday, June 24, 2011 12:14 AM

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Originally posted by RionaEire:
Glad your friend is fine, glad she can help in getting the guy caught etc. Because if he doesn't get caught then he'll very likely do it to someone else, possibly with worse results. And nope, not making any excuses for him, sounds like a typical store robber to me, lookin for cash, nothing special or new there and he needs to be penalized for his poor behavior.

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

Yuppers. Generally doesn't hurt my feelings when some citizen exercises their right to defend themselves and blows a robber or burglar away, either.

KPO

Friday, June 24, 2011 12:21 AM

Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Guns just make it very easy. More power to people who want to kill people.

It's not personal. It's just war.

FREMDFIRMA

Friday, June 24, 2011 2:38 AM

Meh, they make it easier to defend yourself too.
Which makes it a zero-sum game, unless the bad guys have em, and you don't - a state of affairs a lot of politicians and other goons would very much enjoy as it'd make us more dependant on them, and less able/likely to buck the leash.

http://munchkinwrangler.wordpress.com/2007/03/23/why-the-gun-is-civili
zation/

Firearms are also too deep a part of our history, our very culture, to ignore, for every fell deed done with em, there's just as many in the other direction - our very beginnings as a nation came when the Government of the time demanded we hand them over and we said no, something echoed by my own ancestors at Kings Mountain, and the principle is enshrined directly in the documents which founded this nation, intended in both a personal and collective sense, for that very reason.

Leaving aside the outright impossibility of doing so, the mere notion of removing firearms from our society would doomed from the start - it'd be like England banning Tea, fer cryin out loud.
Not to mention how "effective" prohibition ever is anyway, just look at the "War on(some)Drugs" ?

You wanna believe in magic wands that'll just make firearms dissappear and forcefields that would stop them from crossing, aka laws, bans, gun-free-zones, that's on you, but when one tries to enshrine a blatantly fictional belief into law in a way that does measurable harm to others, I do find it more than a bit offensive.

Conversely - not everyone is cut out to carry one, and while the inclination to go buy one after an incident like this is pretty strong, I would definately have a chat with said friend about the realities of packing iron and other alternatives.
Kathy covers most of that quite well here.
http://www.corneredcat.com/TOC.aspx#Mindset

Note; I do NOT carry on-duty, not so much for liability issues as for the express reason that in that instance I am suited up, geared up, running in condition orange and directly watching for trouble as a 100% thing - if I can't avoid or resolve a situation from there, adding a firearm to it wouldn't help very much, and in the extraordinary unlikely event that such would be needed outside of conventional law enforcement, a possibility about on par with a meteor landing on this place, I *DO* have a cellphone and nearby allies, yanno.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

JAMERON4EVA

Friday, June 24, 2011 4:12 AM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

Meh, they make it easier to defend yourself too.
Which makes it a zero-sum game, unless the bad guys have em, and you don't - a state of affairs a lot of politicians and other goons would very much enjoy as it'd make us more dependant on them, and less able/likely to buck the leash.

http://munchkinwrangler.wordpress.com/2007/03/23/why-the-gun-is-civili
zation/

Firearms are also too deep a part of our history, our very culture, to ignore, for every fell deed done with em, there's just as many in the other direction - our very beginnings as a nation came when the Government of the time demanded we hand them over and we said no, something echoed by my own ancestors at Kings Mountain, and the principle is enshrined directly in the documents which founded this nation, intended in both a personal and collective sense, for that very reason.

Leaving aside the outright impossibility of doing so, the mere notion of removing firearms from our society would doomed from the start - it'd be like England banning Tea, fer cryin out loud.
Not to mention how "effective" prohibition ever is anyway, just look at the "War on(some)Drugs" ?

You wanna believe in magic wands that'll just make firearms dissappear and forcefields that would stop them from crossing, aka laws, bans, gun-free-zones, that's on you, but when one tries to enshrine a blatantly fictional belief into law in a way that does measurable harm to others, I do find it more than a bit offensive.

Conversely - not everyone is cut out to carry one, and while the inclination to go buy one after an incident like this is pretty strong, I would definately have a chat with said friend about the realities of packing iron and other alternatives.
Kathy covers most of that quite well here.
http://www.corneredcat.com/TOC.aspx#Mindset

Note; I do NOT carry on-duty, not so much for liability issues as for the express reason that in that instance I am suited up, geared up, running in condition orange and directly watching for trouble as a 100% thing - if I can't avoid or resolve a situation from there, adding a firearm to it wouldn't help very much, and in the extraordinary unlikely event that such would be needed outside of conventional law enforcement, a possibility about on par with a meteor landing on this place, I *DO* have a cellphone and nearby allies, yanno.

-Frem

I do not serve the Blind God.

My friend can well defend herself with her two fists, and two feet. she dont need a gun, or anyother weapon. But, if a weapon can give an advantage, why not, ultimatly there are no rules to fighting. And i do agree not everyone is fit to use them, or even touch them. I had four years experience with Marines from the Vietnam war, i wasnt in it, they were, and they instiled in me a deep respect for firearms. They are not to be played with, and if you DO have one, and point it at someone, you'd bbetter be prepared to kill them with it, juast like if it's pointed at you, assume they'll have no qualms n killing you.

"Mom, he has her chip. He has her."
John Connor,"Born To Run", TSCC EP 2x22

"We mustn't over stimulate young minds. Das ist verboten!" - Rappy

JAMERON4EVA

Friday, June 24, 2011 4:14 AM

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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Am I going to have to be the first one to say it?

The chick is cute.

So a "slim, built hismexican" robbed the store?

Im surprised. Shocked. Horrified.

Oh wait...

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies"

No you dont need to say it, but you DO need to watch whom you say it too.

"Mom, he has her chip. He has her."
John Connor,"Born To Run", TSCC EP 2x22

"We mustn't over stimulate young minds. Das ist verboten!" - Rappy

FREMDFIRMA

Friday, June 24, 2011 8:12 AM

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Originally posted by jameron4eva:
if you DO have one, and point it at someone, you'd bbetter be prepared to kill them with it, juast like if it's pointed at you, assume they'll have no qualms n killing you.

Indeed, which is where I differ so strongly with others about the notion.

Someone who has already discarded the notions of polite society, social convention and the law - is pointing a lethal weapon at me, and folk expect me to then TRUST them not to fire, to ASSUME they will all of the sudden chose to respect those very things they cast aside the moment they get the loot ?

Not on your life - seen too many convenience store clerks back in Baltimore cooperate and just hand it over (that being policy)(1), and then get shot dead on top of it.... if that little hole in the end or the attention of the jackass holding it wavers, I may well take my chances, armed or not - it's not a magic wand, it's a tool.

-Frem
(1) - And if a member of my family capped it that way, I would seriously sue the hell out of the folk who wrote that policy.

I do not serve the Blind God.

GEEZER

Friday, June 24, 2011 11:54 AM

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Originally posted by peacekeeper:
yes, they are being questioned as per the proper process of law, but i guarantee they will be exonerated, as per the proper process of fairness!!!!