Libya- the apparently pointless war. Geezer: History in the making.

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KWICKO

Monday, June 13, 2011 10:58 PM

But DT assures me that Obama is only waging war on OPEC nations - which strikes me as more than a bit odd, because of our current wars (admitted or not), I find only Libya and Iraq that are members of OPEC.

Here's the list of OPEC member nations: Algeria, Angola, Ecuador, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Libya, Nigeria, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, and Venezuela.

Help me run down that list; are we at war with Kuwait? Saudi Arabia? UAE? Venezuela? Angola? Ecuador? Iran?

And why are we bombing Pakistan, if they're not an OPEC member? How does Obama plan to raise the price of gas by bombing Pakistan? And more to the point, WHY would he want to raise gas prices? So he can be sure to lose in 2012?

We supported ousting tyrants in Egypt, not so much in Syria, not at all in Bahrain, and outright support the tyrant in Yemen. None of them are OPEC members, are they? And where are we on Tunisia these days?

Meanwhile, Libya's a fucking mess, and getting worse. Go figure. Hey, we're still promised no boots on the ground, right? Next thing you know, we'll get promises that it'll only take a few days or a couple weeks, and cost no more than $17 billion.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

SIGNYM

Tuesday, June 14, 2011 5:47 AM

Quote:
We need to change our national concept bird from the Eagle... to the Vulture, cause it's what we are, and maybe we should just admit it.

Gorramit Frem! Now YOU owe me a keyboard!

BYTEMITE

Tuesday, June 14, 2011 3:42 PM

I've never heard DT talk about OPEC, so I wouldn't know about that. He's pretty sure about this MEFTA thing. I think both Sig and DT's ideas tie together, the only difference is which currency comes out on top in their prediction.

Maybe Israel just wants to survive, and the US's interest in Israel's survival is really more wanting to stir up wars for an excuse to go in and take over the regional economy.

BTW, DT isn't in this thread, Kwicko, so you don't have to argue with him.

EDIT: Ah, I found the OPEC reference. It was in a thread that I hadn't been paying attention to.

DT says he didn't really mean OPEC, he really means MEFTA. The oil price argument he made is an important one, however, because we're talking about an interest in a regional economy that is primarily based on oil. While we are not physically at war with OPEC, our actions in the Middle East create an economic instability that does affect oil prices, and therefore does affect OPEC and OPEC nations. In a sense, this is an economic war.

Plus, if you believe that some of the revolutions we've seen in various countries were potentially started off by western interests, then you have even more of an argument that the US is at war regionally.

The oil prices are not helped by the off-shore drilling ban, though the off shore drilling ban is actually good for other reasons. There are elements of the United States that want to the energy question to be, which do you support, off-shore drilling, fracking, coal mining, or nuclear power. The correct response is to go "Eeeugh!" then punch the person asking the question in the stomach.

GEEZER

Tuesday, June 14, 2011 7:38 PM

Okay. I know that I am History in the making, and am glad you finally recognize that fact, but such important news should get its own thread, not be mixed up with this one.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

Tuesday, June 14, 2011 9:26 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Quote:
We need to change our national concept bird from the Eagle... to the Vulture, cause it's what we are, and maybe we should just admit it.
Gorramit Frem! Now YOU owe me a keyboard!

Remember, Just Say No! Don't drink and type...

RIONAEIRE

Wednesday, June 15, 2011 2:05 AM

Geezer, I like that, :)

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya

SIGNYM

Thursday, June 16, 2011 1:21 PM

Geezer_ Yes indeed, you are history in the making.

I wanted to point out specifically to YOU the reason for many of our wars. I thought that since you didn't have the benefit of someone pointing out to you AT THE TIME why we were involved in Chile, Brazil, Iran, Iraq etc you may have thought we were there for "freedom". Hopefully, this clears up any potential misunderstanding.

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Okay. I know that I am History in the making

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