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KWICKO

Saturday, May 28, 2011 2:44 AM

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Kinda brings to mind Anthony's discussion of rifles chambered for pistol rounds.

Got a link to that?

I do.

http://beta.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=48524

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Heh. I've got the "short-barreled" Mosin-Nagant.

Just reading that makes my shoulder hurt...

Yeah, but it's still a fun li'l gun. They're still $100 out the door at just about any gun show, and decent-quality milsurp ammo runs about $140-150 for 880 rounds (two big 440-round "spam cans" of the stuff).

It's the kind of thing that pretty much anyone should have around in case of zombie apocalypse. I keep thinking I'm going to soften up the buttstock with a pad, but then I forget. Until next time. ;)

This is the one that gives me the shivers. Ladies and gentlemen, may I present... the Mosin-Nagant PISTOL!

That thing would likely sprain your wrist, I'm betting. And yet, curiously, I find myself wanting to pick up another Nagant and cut it down and try it. 7.62x54r, bolt-action pistol. Yowch.

MOOSE

Saturday, May 28, 2011 7:18 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
This is the one that gives me the shivers. Ladies and gentlemen, may I present... the Mosin-Nagant PISTOL!

ow, ow, ow, ow....

Doesn't stop me from wanting one...

Not only do you shoot your target, you set it on fire!

KWICKO

Saturday, May 28, 2011 11:40 AM

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

Yup, it's both a long-range pistol AND a short-range flame-thrower!

WHOZIT

Saturday, May 28, 2011 4:12 PM

So is it a rifle or a pistol? Ya might as well buy one or the other, get the 44 mag like "Dirty Harry" carried.....if you're feeling lucky, well are ya?

HARDWARE

Saturday, May 28, 2011 5:13 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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Originally posted by Moose:
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Kinda brings to mind Anthony's discussion of rifles chambered for pistol rounds.

Got a link to that?

I do.

http://beta.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=48524

Quote:

Quote:
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Heh. I've got the "short-barreled" Mosin-Nagant.

Just reading that makes my shoulder hurt...

Yeah, but it's still a fun li'l gun. They're still $100 out the door at just about any gun show, and decent-quality milsurp ammo runs about $140-150 for 880 rounds (two big 440-round "spam cans" of the stuff).

It's the kind of thing that pretty much anyone should have around in case of zombie apocalypse. I keep thinking I'm going to soften up the buttstock with a pad, but then I forget. Until next time. ;)

This is the one that gives me the shivers. Ladies and gentlemen, may I present... the Mosin-Nagant PISTOL!

That thing would likely sprain your wrist, I'm betting. And yet, curiously, I find myself wanting to pick up another Nagant and cut it down and try it. 7.62x54r, bolt-action pistol. Yowch.

Careful, you can't make a pistol out of a rifle. Although you can make a rifle out of a pistol. Unless of course, you're registered as a manufacturer by ATF.

Ah, conforming to BATFE regs is like hitting a moving target.

The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.

...and he that has no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36

FARFLY

Saturday, May 28, 2011 8:45 PM

Speaking of pistols,

http://www.auto-ordnance.com/PA-1TH_ta.html

KWICKO

Saturday, May 28, 2011 11:07 PM

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Careful, you can't make a pistol out of a rifle. Although you can make a rifle out of a pistol. Unless of course, you're registered as a manufacturer by ATF.

Ah, conforming to BATFE regs is like hitting a moving target.

True, there is that...

Which is the entire reason I don't "officially" own any 30-round mags for my 7.62x39 Saiga. I happen to have a whole bagful of 'em for my OTHER 7.62s, but they never travel in the same case with the Saiga, because that would be illegal - UNLESS I do a conversion and make it look MORE like a full-auto AK-47. And even then, I'd have to make sure to have the requisite number of "American-made" parts in it.

See, it's not that they don't want you to have a so-called "assault rifle"; they just want to make sure that if you DO have one, it damned well looks as mean and nasty as possible, and it damned well better use American parts to look its most evil.

Go figure...

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

KRELLEK

Saturday, May 28, 2011 11:26 PM

Heh. I've got the "short-barreled" Mosin-Nagant. It's a beast. Kicks like a mule on crack. But they cushion the blow by putting a steel kick-plate on the end of the stock! :) If I put 10 rounds through it at the range, I'm bruised the next day. And to think, they put these monsters in the hands of female snipers!

The PSL, although chambered for the same round, kicks a helluva lot less. I chalk it up to the gas-driven reloading system, versus the solid bolt-action loader of the Nagant, which puts all the recoil straight into your shoulder, while the PSL puts a major portion of it into cycling the action for the next round.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

Yeah I think i read somewhere that the Russian female snipers where putting a whole lot of fear of.. well snipers in the heart of the german soldiers, a little question about the the movie enemy at the gates, jude law and Rachel Weiz - I know it was about this important male russian sniper and all, but why did they not show that much of female snipers, there is a little bit where Rachels characther is trying to help, but mostly ends up spotting, and blinding the enemy sniper, but it could be side characthers too, it did not need to be just Rachels char.

KWICKO

Sunday, May 29, 2011 1:42 AM

The Russians used female soldiers to amazing effect, both physically AND psychologically, against the Germans. Part of it was ideological - the "everyone is equal, we are all the same" ideology of Communism demanded that female soldiers do what male soldiers did, while the Nazi Übermenschen ideology intrinsically believed that the male was at the pinnacle of all "manly" tasks, and uniquely suited to them, and the female's main "job" was to raise loyal, obedient children and support their man.

So when the Russians employed female snipers against the Germans, it wasn't simply a matter of using women to deadly effect; it was as well a matter of using women in a role that they KNEW would freak the German male completely out, in a sense short-circuiting his sense of not only right and wrong, but even of what was possible!

And the Russians knew this; they didn't do it blindly or without forethought. They also used a group of women in outdated biplanes as night-bombers. The tactics were freakish enough - fly high over the German lines, cut the engines, dive down through the dark, drop bombs in the lines of infantrymen (at night, remember), and then pulling up and restarting their engines. The bombs would hit about the time anyone heard the planes in the first place.

That part freaked out the young German conscripts, but when it was publicized that this was being to them BY WOMEN, it really shook many of them.

Things on the Eastern Front were like nothing you could imagine. For more, check out Dan Carlin's Hardcore History ( http://www.dancarlin.com/disp.php/hharchive ). Look for the 4-part podcast series "Ghosts of the Ostfront (I-IV)". I promise you'll learn some new stuff!

As for why "Enemy At the Gate" didn't show more of the female roles, it seems to me that we in the West still tend to hold more to the old-fashioned male-dominated ideas of soldiering, and it was probably decided by a studio suit that a strong female role would make the movie "unbelievable" to Western audiences. Just a guess, though.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

KRELLEK

Monday, May 30, 2011 1:36 AM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
The Russians used female soldiers to amazing effect, both physically AND psychologically, against the Germans. Part of it was ideological - the "everyone is equal, we are all the same" ideology of Communism demanded that female soldiers do what male soldiers did, while the Nazi Übermenschen ideology intrinsically believed that the male was at the pinnacle of all "manly" tasks, and uniquely suited to them, and the female's main "job" was to raise loyal, obedient children and support their man.

So when the Russians employed female snipers against the Germans, it wasn't simply a matter of using women to deadly effect; it was as well a matter of using women in a role that they KNEW would freak the German male completely out, in a sense short-circuiting his sense of not only right and wrong, but even of what was possible!

And the Russians knew this; they didn't do it blindly or without forethought. They also used a group of women in outdated biplanes as night-bombers. The tactics were freakish enough - fly high over the German lines, cut the engines, dive down through the dark, drop bombs in the lines of infantrymen (at night, remember), and then pulling up and restarting their engines. The bombs would hit about the time anyone heard the planes in the first place.

That part freaked out the young German conscripts, but when it was publicized that this was being to them BY WOMEN, it really shook many of them.

Things on the Eastern Front were like nothing you could imagine. For more, check out Dan Carlin's Hardcore History ( http://www.dancarlin.com/disp.php/hharchive ). Look for the 4-part podcast series "Ghosts of the Ostfront (I-IV)". I promise you'll learn some new stuff!

As for why "Enemy At the Gate" didn't show more of the female roles, it seems to me that we in the West still tend to hold more to the old-fashioned male-dominated ideas of soldiering, and it was probably decided by a studio suit that a strong female role would make the movie "unbelievable" to Western audiences. Just a guess, though.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill

Yeah I guess you are right.

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