(small) Issues and items I'd like resolved w/ Serenity
POSTED BY: AURaptor
UPDATED: Monday, August 9, 2004 18:32
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No, not talking so much about Simon and Kaylee, or what the REAL story on Book is, but a couple of things that have kinda bugged me.
1.Visual effects - space scenes: There has to be a way of filming Serenity in better light or something that keeps her from becoming lost when being shot in proximity to another ship. In the pilot, Out of Gas and Bushwhacked, the scenes where the ships are docked up next to each other, its tough to clearly see which ship is which. Joss even spoke of this in one of the commentaries on the DVD.
2. The spoken line: Some of the funniest lines I've ever heard are from Firefly. All I really have an issue is that... sometimes, it seems the lines are spoken in such an casual, passing manner that I think some folks simply don't catch what is being said. Now, of COURSE one is bound to catch a few lines and exchanges when seeing the DVD over and over, but I wonder if it's just me who will stop and say " hey... THAT was funny! I didn't catch that before " . I know it's just me, grrrrr...I HATE that I have often wondered if such a small, subtle change like the delivery of a line 2 two would have snagged a few more folks. ( Yes,I KNOW....this is really nit pickin here)
Dang...that's it for now. If I think of any more, I'll add on.
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I find that Firefly is a much more intimate show than expected (for me at least) in what you seem to see as understated. I can't help but think getting 'louder' is not the answer. The actors seem to be finding a real language with each other and, yeah, it seems that we only pick that up watching DVDs over and over *chuckle*, but when actors do that sheit reight... man, people notice. If only deep down. I think Firefly can do that. It's special no?
I love the FX of Zoic! to no end. Firefly FX are a real breakthrough in style with CGI ... a truely new FX experience and artistic standard! Believe it! Yeah, it is hard to see and it's out of focus.. wow, it's great to be confused instead of seeing toy ships flouting around (I've a nit pick about current space ships FX being waaay too phony). Have ya seen the new Battlestar Galactica FX? Woow... man, feel it! Er, well maybe all I'm saying is that space is dark and weird... go with it. 
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Interesting points.
1. Visual effects - space scenes: I would assume that the Visual effects will be higher quality and resolution in the movie and that they will have more time and money to perfect the look of them. So I would guess that any small issue that anyone has with the effects in the series will not apply to the movie.
2. The spoken line: I know what you mean. Though I don't think it will be that big an issue with Serenity. I found that the delivery of the funny line on firefly to be more than adequate. I know that Joss Whedon can often put in a lot of in-jokes that some people might not get or that you have to think about for a couple of seconds before you get them. Though I find this more of an issue with Buffy than Firefly. I think Serenity will be written so it will be very accessible for the general public. Though I have to say, I think Firefly is already very accessible to the general public. All the people I have shown it to have all laughed at the appropriate moments.
I wouldn't worry.
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replying to whats been said...
I agree that the visuals are great. Out of focus, zoom stuff... I love that. I guess it's the color and texture of the ships that sometimes blends them together that I had a ( small ) issue. As for the lines, it's not so much ' louder' that they need to be delievered, just ...from time to time more directed, or w/ a slight pause. As for the 'inside' jokes....or those that take a second or 2 to get to sink it... awesome. I'm a HUGE fan of Joss and Co for how they write/ deliver those.
I'm just bored and thinking of ways to kill time till April shows up, no biggie 
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
2. The spoken line: Some of the funniest lines I've ever heard are from Firefly. All I really have an issue is that... sometimes, it seems the lines are spoken in such an casual, passing manner that I think some folks simply don't catch what is being said.
Not sure what you're saying, but I think the casual, conversational manner that they deliver the lines with is a very big part of what's funny. I'd take subtle and witty over loud and goofy any day. Don't change a thing, says I.
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Perhaps there should be a laughter track?
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Originally posted by PurpleBelly:
Perhaps there should be a laughter track?
Ouch!
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Originally posted by Ghoulman:
The actors seem to be finding a real language with each other and, yeah, it seems that we only pick that up watching DVDs over and over *chuckle*, but when actors do that sheit reight... man, people notice. If only deep down. I think Firefly can do that. It's special no?
I agree that the pace of the dialog is different from your average show, and that makes it special. I'd compare it to watching Shakespeare: It might take your ears a few minutes to adjust, but with quality actors, you catch up pretty quickly, and the difference in the language style actually helps draw you into another world.
As for some of the subtleties only becoming apparent after multiple viewings, I'd say that's what makes Firefly so much better than most of the dreck you see on TV, and why we all care enough to hang out in cyberspace talking about all those subtleties. That doesn't mean that the uninitiated can't enjoy it, too. It just means that the layers of meaning reward closer attention.
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I have to agree. I love that there are parts of Firefly that I didn't notice until the third or fourth viewing of an episode, whether it's lines, character movements, etc. It rewards rewatching.
The only issue I'd like to see resolved is for the people involved in production to understand the sense of scale in space. Too many 'really close, extremely slow flybys' without a good explanation in the series kind of annoyed me, and I want them to decide once and for all if it's one solar system or several, and stick to it.
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Originally posted by truthseeker:Quote:
I agree that the pace of the dialog is different from your average show, and that makes it special. I'd compare it to watching Shakespeare: It might take your ears a few minutes to adjust, but with quality actors, you catch up pretty quickly, and the difference in the language style actually helps draw you into another world.
As for some of the subtleties only becoming apparent after multiple viewings, I'd say that's what makes Firefly so much better than most of the dreck you see on TV, and why we all care enough to hang out in cyberspace talking about all those subtleties. That doesn't mean that the uninitiated can't enjoy it, too. It just means that the layers of meaning reward closer attention.
Ok... I agree. Not even reluctantly either. Y'all have convinced me that the dialouge delivery isn't that big of an issue after all. It's unique, but not so much so that even the great unwashed ,err....uninitiated can't enjoy it.
But I still stand by the need to tinker a bit w/ the FX , espeicially in some space shots. The very good point about ships passing ridiculously close to one another while in deep deep space ( see: The Train Job ) needs to be taken care of, IMO.
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