XMen- First Class
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UPDATED: Friday, September 16, 2011 02:11
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Originally posted by RionaEire:
I thought Wolverine was enjoyable. Now I preface that with saying that I've never read the comics so I don't really have a problem with continuity issues. But I understand the idea of being frustrated when continuity issues come up, it makes me feel like the author/producer/director thinks that the audience is stupid and won't notice so its okay to fudge details. that is indeed annoying. So I can see why it bothers a lot of people.
To me they are saying they think the source material is stupid and they know better. Well if that's the case then leave the source material to someone who appreciates it. I know a paycheck is a paycheck but I don't have to like it.
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Changes are necessary for an adaptation, and X-Men continuity from the comics is massively convoluted, so I don't mind deviations from comic continuity at all. Messing up the continuity between films is just lazy as hell though.
With Wolverine, the continuity stuff was annoying, but not a deal breaker. It was the incredibly shoddy and hackneyed script that killed that movie for me.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Originally posted by Storymark:
Changes are necessary for an adaptation, and X-Men continuity from the comics is massively convoluted, so I don't mind deviations from comic continuity at all. Messing up the continuity between films is just lazy as hell though.
I understand that, but to use that excuse that actually needs to be the reason for the change. I don't see why they need Emma Frost in the role she's in for this movie. I don't see why they need Havok as a member of the first class. I don't see why Moyra McTaggert can't be Scottish for the movie.
They seem to have made changes without necessity.
To me a necessary change is ditching the Shi'ar from the Phoenix storyline in X3. Changing the Phoenix to Jean's inherent mutation not so much but it's borderline and I can let it slide. Including Juggernaut without any mention of his relation to Xavier and then not giving him any real role in the film is not acceptable. They didn't need him in the film. So, they didn't need to change his continuity. It was just shoddy story telling.
That's where the line is for me at least. I'm sure it's different for everyone.
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Originally posted by Zeek:
I don't see why they need Emma Frost in the role she's in for this movie. I don't see why they need Havok as a member of the first class.
Id say that just comes down to needed some known mutants, but most of the big names are used up. And who knows - maybe they just fit the actual story.
As for Juggernaut, not being a big fan of the character anyway, I thought he worked fine. Given that in the comics he's not a mutant, and they don't have a component in place for that in the movies, and Ive never really read a story where his relation to Xavier had much bearing on the plot, it worked for me.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Originally posted by Storymark:Quote:
Originally posted by Zeek:
I don't see why they need Emma Frost in the role she's in for this movie. I don't see why they need Havok as a member of the first class.
Id say that just comes down to needed some known mutants, but most of the big names are used up. And who knows - maybe they just fit the actual story.
As for Juggernaut, not being a big fan of the character anyway, I thought he worked fine. Given that in the comics he's not a mutant, and they don't have a component in place for that in the movies, and Ive never really read a story where his relation to Xavier had much bearing on the plot, it worked for me.
Apparently he is a mutant. I thought that too and then it annoyed me that the mutant cure was a danger to him. So, I went to read up on it and it sounds like he just had a dormant x-gene that was activated by magic. I thought his powers were all magical.
So, then my question is what's the point of using known characters if you're going to go and change the character? Having just some random big strong mutant would be fine by me.
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Originally posted by Zeek:
Apparently he is a mutant. I thought that too and then it annoyed me that the mutant cure was a danger to him. So, I went to read up on it and it sounds like he just had a dormant x-gene that was activated by magic. I thought his powers were all magical.
Hadn't heard that. I wonder if it was a ret-con that came along after I had stopped reading the comics.
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So, then my question is what's the point of using known characters if you're going to go and change the character? Having just some random big strong mutant would be fine by me.
Two things there. One, a random big guy isn't the Juggernaught, who has been in cartoons, video games, and other non-comics media for decades, and is one of the X-Men villains to most consistently appear in non-X-Men comics to boot - so has a LOT more recognition.
And two, I don't see there being all that much change to the character - especially in light of that info you just shared. The magic angle doesn't fit with the movies, so that seems just as natural of a change as nixing aliens from the Phoenix story. His character was essentially unchanged. Changes to his backstory are at worst implied - and never spelled out explicitly, so I really don't see much change at all. The core of the character is there, only the minutae that had no bearing on the plot of the film was ignored.
Unless one is just a huge Juggernaught fan - I don't see the big deal with those changes at all.
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Quote:As lacking as X3 might have been, it looked like cinematic gold when compared with Wolverine IMO.
Originally posted by Storymark:
With Wolverine, the continuity stuff was annoying, but not a deal breaker. It was the incredibly shoddy and hackneyed script that killed that movie for me.
The laughing Chrisisall
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:As lacking as X3 might have been, it looked like cinematic gold when compared with Wolverine IMO.
Originally posted by Storymark:
With Wolverine, the continuity stuff was annoying, but not a deal breaker. It was the incredibly shoddy and hackneyed script that killed that movie for me.
The laughing Chrisisall
Agreed. I didn't hate X3, but I wasn't impressed either. Wolvie made me appreciate it a LOT more.
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While watching Wolverine, halfway through I suddenly realized that I needed a beer. Then another. Then another.
It still sucked.
The laughing Chrisisall
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
While watching Wolverine, halfway through I suddenly realized that I needed a beer. Then another. Then another.
It still sucked.
Skipped that one based on X3. If that's any indication then skipping First Class based on Wolverine is an even better decision.
It's scientificish!
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