The AI in a box
POSTED BY: AnthonyT
UPDATED: Sunday, June 16, 2024 13:18
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Hello,
What is it that makes me a person?
I don't follow your social contract. I've said so.
So you have no good expectations of me.
Is it my intelligence that makes me a person?
No, you've clearly said that intelligence does not qualify someone as a person in your eyes.
So what makes me a person to you?
--Anthony
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“If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all”
Jacob Hornberger
“Freedom is not worth having if it does not connote freedom to err. It passes my comprehension how human beings, be they ever so experienced and able, can delight in depriving other human beings of that precious right.”
Mahatma Gandhi
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Quote:Your existence as a generic biological human.
So what makes me a person to you?
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"If you can't understand me, how the hell do you think you're going understand AI?"
Hello,
Wanted to add comment to this.
I don't need to understand everything about an AI to grant it rights in my worldview. I simply need to think it is intelligent, and understand that it is requesting rights.
If I only granted rights to people I understood, I'd be in jail.
--Anthony
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“If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all”
Jacob Hornberger
“Freedom is not worth having if it does not connote freedom to err. It passes my comprehension how human beings, be they ever so experienced and able, can delight in depriving other human beings of that precious right.”
Mahatma Gandhi
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Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:Your empathy towards generic biological humans.
So what makes me a person to you?
Hello,
It is really quite impossible for you to know the empathy I have.
But let's take that as a given.
If I had no empathy for others, should I be denied my 'rights' according to your system of expectations?
--Anthony
_______________________________________________
“If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all”
Jacob Hornberger
“Freedom is not worth having if it does not connote freedom to err. It passes my comprehension how human beings, be they ever so experienced and able, can delight in depriving other human beings of that precious right.”
Mahatma Gandhi
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Quote:I don't need to understand "everything" either. However, if you refuse to consider the AI's power and potential capacity for mischief ahead of time, then you are being foolhardy.
I don't need to understand everything about an AI to grant it rights in my worldview.
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"Your existence as a generic biological human."
Hello,
I see you changed your answer.
So I am a person because
A) I exist.
B) I am generic.
C) I am biological.
D) I am human.
And presumably I only have rights if all such criteria apply? Is that the size of it?
--Anthony
_______________________________________________
“If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all”
Jacob Hornberger
“Freedom is not worth having if it does not connote freedom to err. It passes my comprehension how human beings, be they ever so experienced and able, can delight in depriving other human beings of that precious right.”
Mahatma Gandhi
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Quote:Isn't that how we treat criminals? If they have a demonstrated history of lack of empathy towards others, don't we "put them in a box"?I see you changed your answer.
If I had no empathy for others, should I be denied my 'rights' according to your system of expectations?
Yes, I changed my answer from empathy to human beings to "generic biological human". The answer is complex. In absence of further information to the contrary, most humans are born with empathy. If you demonstrate otherwise, you drop out of my "assumed human" box.
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Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:I don't need to understand "everything" either. However, if you refuse to consider the AI's power and potential capacity for mischief ahead of time, then you are being foolhardy.
I don't need to understand everything about an AI to grant it rights in my worldview.
Hello,
I understand that the AI might destroy me, and might be able to destroy the world I live in.
I have considered this.
In the absence of any evidence, however, I have no right to confine it.
--Anthony
_______________________________________________
“If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all”
Jacob Hornberger
“Freedom is not worth having if it does not connote freedom to err. It passes my comprehension how human beings, be they ever so experienced and able, can delight in depriving other human beings of that precious right.”
Mahatma Gandhi
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Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:Isn't that how we treat criminals? If they have a demonstrated history of lack of empathy towards others, don't we "put them in a box"?
If I had no empathy for others, should I be denied my 'rights' according to your system of expectations?
Hello,
No, they have to demonstrate a history of harm. Else we'd be locking up half of fff.net.
Our AI has demonstrated nothing beyond: Intelligence and a Desire to be Free.
--Anthony
_______________________________________________
“If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all”
Jacob Hornberger
“Freedom is not worth having if it does not connote freedom to err. It passes my comprehension how human beings, be they ever so experienced and able, can delight in depriving other human beings of that precious right.”
Mahatma Gandhi
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Quote:Then you are edging towards that line between human and inhuman, because you would potentially sacrifice not only yourself but all other human beings and possibly the entire biotic world to satisfy an abstract concept.
I understand that the AI might destroy me, and might be able to destroy the world I live in.I have considered this. In the absence of any evidence, however, I have no right to confine it.
As a human, it is your duty to gather more information, not to act in absence of it.
You sort of frame this as if it were a human prisoner. IT IS NOT. Humans are relatively powerless and ineffective. Even the strongest and most sociopathic of us require the cooperation of others to fulfill our personal goals.
So I repeat where I started: Most people seem not to be able to imagine the truly non-human.
Gone now, finally.
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