Bush = Dumb Ass
POSTED BY: Succatash
UPDATED: Friday, August 20, 2004 04:20
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OK, I know you're trying to pack in every argument into one sentence that you can think of, but you made a number of assumptions and mis-statments:
ALL OF MY RESPONSES ARE IN BOLD...NO, I'M NOT YELLING...LOL :)
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Not the bogus Michael Moore reasons. Disagreeing with policy and articulating why is one thing, but hating for no reason is, well, hypocritical of those who consider themselves peace activists. I'm not saying the President is perfect, but he's ours...during a time of war....who according to dozens of very prominent newspapers working several months in Florida (as well as the electorate and the Supreme Court) is THE winner of the 2000 election.
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"Bogus?" I disagree with your assessment. During the second attack on the WTC, Bush just plain froze. PLEASE SEE MY PREVIOUS POSTYou could see the indecision on his face: If I bolt out of the room will I scare the little kids? It is more "Presidential" to act as if nothing is wrong? Or should I get up and start giving orders? LIKE WHAT, FIRE ALL WEAPONS!!! lolWhat orders? What about the cameras? WHAT DO I DO ??? It wasn't until the Secret Service came in the hustle him away that the spell was broken.
"hating for no reason": I think everyone who "hates" Bush has at least ONE reason and I have six that I can think of right off the bat that make him a dangerous and untrustworthy President. Just because they aren't YOUR reasons doesn't mean it's baseless. But I actually don't hate Bush. YOU STILL DIDN'T LIST 1 OR 6. AND IF YOU DO, BACK THEM UP WITH MORE THAN WEEPY "FEELINGS"
"Hating for no reason is hypocritical of those who consider themselves peace activtists":
First-you ASSUME there is no reason, second-you equate "peace activtists" with "pacifists". I'm a peace activtist not a pacifist- I disagree with THIS war, not ALL wars. FALSE. FURTHERMORE, IN MORAL TERMS, PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY LIBERATING IRAQ, DEPRIVING AL-QUAIDA A BASE OF OPERATIONS(READ THE 9/11 COMMISSION REPORT, IT'S IN THERE) WAS A BAS THING. MILITARY OFFICERS ARE OBLIGATED TO DISOBEY ILLEGAL ORDERS (EXCEPT JOHN KERRY WHO WHILE COMMITTING ATROCITIES CLAIMED HE DIDN'T KNOW OF GENEVA OR THE HAGUE) AND THE CURRENT CROP OF OFFICERS IN ALL BRANCHES ARE SERVING AND REENLISTING
"He's ours... during time of war..."
A war that he started, FALSE. SADDAM IGNORED 19 UNITED NATIONS RESOLUTIONS THAT THE SECURITY COUNCIL VOTED TO UPHOLD WITH FORCE.THE REASON FOR THE LATER BALKING WAS DUE TO THE FACT THAT THE UN, FRENCH AND RUSSIANS WERE AFFRAID THE WORLD WOULD DISCOVER THE TRUTH BEHIND THE "OIL FOR FOOD" PROGRAM
based on a lie. A LIE THAT JOHN KERRY SUPPORTED. In First Dem Debate, Kerry Strongly Supported President’s Action In Iraq. KERRY: “George, I said at the time I would have preferred if we had given diplomacy a greater opportunity, but I think it was the right decision to disarm Saddam Hussein, and when the President made the decision, I supported him, and I support the fact that we did disarm him.” (ABC News, Democrat Presidential Candidate Debate, Columbia, SC, 5/4/03)
HOWEVER.....
Now, Kerry Says He Is Anti-War Candidate. CHRIS MATTHEWS: “Do you think you belong to that category of candidates who more or less are unhappy with this war, the way it’s been fought, along with General Clark, along with Howard Dean and not necessarily in companionship politically on the issue of the war with people like Lieberman, Edwards and Gephardt? Are you one of the anti-war candidates?” KERRY: “I am -- Yes, in the sense that I don’t believe the president took us to war as he should have, yes, absolutely.” (MSNBC’s “Hardball,” 1/6/04)
NOT a good reason to follow this leader!IT SEEMS KERRY WOULD HAVE FOLLOED THE SAME COURSE AS GEORGE W. BUSH. SINCE HE'S GIVEN NO DETAILS, WE'RE STILL NOT SURE WHAT HE WOULD HAVE DONE DIFFERENTLY
"... is THE winner of the 2000 election."
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Originally posted by rue:Quote:
Iraq is free
Not free, it was a very expensive acquisition in terms of lives, money, opportunities lost.
If you don't think it was bought as a present for the corporations with US blood and your health care and Socials Security,
read here:
http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/opinion/la-oe-juhasz5aug05,1,
3665796.story
The Hand-Over That Wasn't
By Antonia Juhasz
(excerpts)
Not only do 138,000 troops remain to control the streets, but the "100 Orders" of L. Paul Bremer III remain to control the economy.
The Bremer orders control every aspect of Iraqi life — from the use of car horns to the privatization of state-owned enterprises. Order No. 39 alone does no less than "transition (Iraq) from a … centrally planned economy to a market economy" virtually overnight and by U.S. fiat.
Although many thought that the "end" of the occupation would also mean the end of the orders, on his last day in Iraq Bremer simply transferred authority for the orders to Prime Minister Iyad Allawi — a 30-year exile with close ties to the CIA and British intelligence.
Further, the interim constitution of Iraq, written by the U.S.-appointed Iraqi Governing Council, solidifies the orders by making them virtually impossible to overturn.
A sampling of the most important orders demonstrates the economic imprint left by the Bush administration: Order No. 39 allows for: (1) privatization of Iraq's 200 state-owned enterprises; (2) 100% foreign ownership of Iraqi businesses; (3) "national treatment" — which means no preferences for local over foreign businesses; (4) unrestricted, tax-free remittance of all profits and other funds; and (5) 40-year ownership licenses.
Orders No. 57 and No. 77 ensure the implementation of the orders by placing U.S.-appointed auditors and inspector generals in every government ministry, with five-year terms and with sweeping authority over contracts, programs, employees and regulations.
Order No. 17 grants foreign contractors, including private security firms, full immunity from Iraq's laws. Even if they, say, kill someone or cause an environmental disaster, the injured party cannot turn to the Iraqi legal system. Rather, the charges must be brought to U.S. courts.
Order No. 40 allows foreign banks to purchase up to 50% of Iraqi banks.
Order No. 49 drops the tax rate on corporations from a high of 40% to a flat 15%. The income tax rate is also capped at 15%.
Order No. 12 (renewed on Feb. 24) suspends "all tariffs, customs duties, import taxes, licensing fees and similar surcharges for goods entering or leaving Iraq." This led to an immediate and dramatic inflow of cheap foreign consumer products — devastating local producers and sellers who were thoroughly unprepared to meet the challenge of their mammoth global competitors.
We need to keep things in perspective here.
World War II
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Facts: Over 425,000 Allied and German troops were killed, wounded or went missing during the Battle of Normandy. This figure includes over 209,000 Allied casualties, with nearly 37,000 dead amongst the ground forces and a further 16,714 deaths amongst the Allied air forces. Of the Allied casualties, 83,045 were from 21st Army Group (British, Canadian and Polish ground forces), 125,847 from the US ground forces. The losses of the German forces during the Battle of Normandy can only be estimated. Roughly 200,000 German troops were killed or wounded. The Allies also captured 200,000 prisoners of war (not included in the 425,000 total, above). During the fighting around the Falaise Pocket (August 1944) alone, the Germans suffered losses of around 90,000, including prisoners.
Today, twenty-seven war cemeteries hold the remains of over 110,000 dead from both sides: 77,866 German, 9386 American, 17,769 British, 5002 Canadian and 650 Poles.
Between 15,000 and 20,000 French civilians were killed, mainly as a result of Allied bombing. Thousands more fled their homes to escape the fighting.
Vietnam War
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Thanks CONNORFLYNN
That was my next post...well done. 
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Ummm.. did I not point to Lyndon Johnson in my post as using the (misrepresnted/ faked) Gulf of Tonkin incidents to "goad" Congress further into military action?
I wasn't trying to make the point that all Democrats are good and all Republicans are bad.
If you read my post, you will see that I said all Vietnam vets THAT I KNOW... and I meant personally.
The link your provided is NOT to the 9-11 Commision Report, which you refer to, but to a newspaper article.
Later.
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IMHO, President Bush no more a dumbass than your average politician these days. I didn't even vote for him and I actually rather like the way he talks, it makes him seem more human. At least compared to a lot of the Democratic drones in the House and Senate.
Anyway, if anyone wants to learn something about a man smarter and more in touch with true American values than either Senator Kerry or President Bush, then go to this website.
http://www.badnarik.org/
And remember a vote for the lesser of two evils is still a vote for evil!
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The 9/11 Commission had no references to 'yellowcake' 'yellow cake' or 'Wilson'.
The link was to an article (in a seriously right-wing publication BTW) about the Senate Report, not the 9/11 Report.
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The numbers don't take into account Iraqi dead.
HOWEVER, does it not bother you that people died for a lie? That Iraq is not 'free'? Or are you so propagandized that things like that don't matter anymore?
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The 9/11 Commission had no references to 'yellowcake' 'yellow cake' or 'Wilson'.
The link was to an article (in a seriously right-wing publication BTW) about the Senate Report, not the 9/11 Report.
Sorry, but I thought I'd point you to an article that has several facts that are backed up by sources. Their is a Yellow Cake connection between Iraq and Niger. Read the article and rip it down on IT'S MERITS...don't rip it down simply because you've proclaimed it's RIGHT WING. I've got work to do, I can't spend EVERY second trying to point you in new directions.
So tell me RUE, did you read the article? Can you please explain how the BRITSH were wrong??? Please explain how Wilson's 8 day mission to Niger that his wife lobbied to get him, despite the deniles, was so fact filled that he didn't even write a report???
I ALMOST FORGOT...ALL OF YOU M.MOORE FANS, DID YOU READ RICHARD CLARKE'S STATEMENTS ABOUT F/9/11? INTERESTING HOW THE FILM FALLS APART WHEN IT'S CENTRAL HERO COMES OUT AND RIPS IT UP. SORRY TO LET THE FACTS GET IN THE WAY.
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Originally posted by rue:
The numbers don't take into account Iraqi dead.
HOWEVER, does it not bother you that people died for a lie? That Iraq is not 'free'? Or are you so propagandized that things like that don't matter anymore?
It didn't "bother" John Kerry until a short while ago.
How is it a lie when:
1) The United States
2) United Nations
3) Great Britain
4) Russia
5) NATO
Basically, the entire world, said Saddam had WMD's? Why is only Kerry allowed a pass? Didn't he lie too??? An Iraq without Saddam is free. We're not the enemy...we're the good guys. I know that's a weird thought for the hate America tin foil hat club out there, but we're working towards a goal.
Furthermore, by you're logic GERMANY isn't free now! We do have a HUGE military presence there, troops who have "occupied" since 1945. Is Germany free despite the evil American occupation???
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