Japan - It's worse than you know....
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UPDATED: Monday, December 16, 2024 06:17
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Mike the worst-case scenario is that ALL of your safety measures will fail. Because, at some point, some place, they all will.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Mike the worst-case scenario is that ALL of your safety measures will fail. Because, at some point, some place, they all will.
Hello,
Having a plan for when God reaches into your reactor, shakes out the radioactives, and distributes them on your lawn is ALSO a good idea.
--Anthony
Assured by friends that the signal-to-noise ratio has improved on this forum, I have disabled web filtering.
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Pretty much, Tony.
My hubby, who's worked with scientists and engineers his whole life, says they have one fatal flaw: The can only ask themselves questions they have imagined, and their imagination tends to run rather small. Case in point: Nuclear engineers will tell you there is NO scenario in the playbook where three reactors and four spent pools have been compromised at the same time, with 75% loss of fuel. It just never occurred to them.
We are constantly skewered, in large ways and small, by our lack of imagination. From "Were do you want to eat tonight?" to "Where should we be in 10 years?" to "Isn't there a better way to do tis?" to "what do we do if this all goes wrong?
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Kiki,
I'm interested in where you got your information about 5 & 6 being used to power the facility. All my information indicated that those units were in cold shutdown.
Also,
http://www.iaea.org/newscenter/news/tsunamiupdate01.html
The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.
...and he that has no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Mike, in every major accident at least two safety systems fail, quite often three. Could be plane crashes, train crashes, nuclear meltdowns etc... SHIT HAPPENS. There is NO safety system adequate to ensure that shit WON'T happen. Assume the worst WILL happen.
^This.
And that's not even taking into account humans misinterpreting what they are seeing.
The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.
...and he that has no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22:36
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HW, I saw what Kiki saw: It was a video originally in Japanese w/ english translation in which a TEPCO official... struggling not to cry while on-air... describes how the radioactive water collecting in Unit No 5 is threatening the entire site's emergency power.
Like all things TEPCO, the announcement was incomplete and unclear. I don't think Nos 5-6 nuclear reactors have been started back up to supply site power, but it's possible they have emergency diesel generators in the basements which are threatened by the water.
I can't find the link again... part of the problem with the news being fragmentary, parsed out in small bits to various newsgroups- when at all. (This particular link was to a Chinese website, I believe). If I find it again, I will post it, and maybe you can read the tea leaves better.
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Here it is...
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My issue on this is more of a human one.
Fifteen kids, only one of em even out of the equivalent of high school, suddenly thrust into a position of responsibility far beyond anything they've ever been equipped mentally, emotionally, or socially to deal with - thankfully the town/village isn't in the "hot zone" proper, but every building save the temple was flooded and effectively wrecked, leaving THEM in charge of trying to sort things out, while most of the efforts of their government are of course quite properly focused on the more dangerous situation at hand...
And while I find Yurikos obsessive beliefs irritating, I cannot in good conscience screw with her faith when it happens to be one of the few things keeping her and hers going, and despite that it will reinforce her misguided faith, I've been using various contacts to get them supplies, despite communications of any kind being very sporadic.
The situation as it stands *has* forced me to re-evaluate faith in general, even when I feel it is completely errant and misguided, for if they believe, and the assistance comes, no matter the mechanisms of exactly how that happens - does that not make their faith justified ?
I feel for them, to the point where even the small amount of assistance I can render makes me feel so damn helpless, and if I *had* any faith, I'd be prayin for em.
-Frem
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Ain't about you, Jayne. It's about what they need.
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"and if I *had* any faith, I'd be prayin for em."
Hello,
I'll fill in on this one.
--Anthony
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Frem, I'll fill in for ya there too. How do you know Euriko et al? Are their parents not around? You mentioned them in conjunction with the sister's potential future arranged marriage.
Anyways I'm very opposed to nuclear power now, period, it is a force that we have no business dabbling with, we're in over our heads, it is too sinister for us to wrangle.
Con about Japanese culture: They have a really hard time admitting there is a problem, but they have an even harder time asking for help with a problem, as stated above.
Pro about Japanese culture: I haven't seen or heard of any looting whatsoever. If this happened in America our society would have fallen apart, or at least the state where it occurred, we are so ill behaved culturally. So I have to give them credit for holding it together.
"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya
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