Bush = Dumb Ass

POSTED BY: Succatash
UPDATED: Friday, August 20, 2004 04:20
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WADDLEDOODLE

Friday, August 6, 2004 4:39 AM

Dose of reality about the "hero"

http://www.geocities.com/teddy_bitner/Kerry_Korner

Open your mind and set it free....

SUCCATASH

Friday, August 6, 2004 5:32 AM

What a great pic, now I admire John Kerry even more. Look at all those smart people.

"Gott kann dich nicht vor mir beschuetzen, weil ich nicht boese bin."

RAY53208

Friday, August 6, 2004 7:57 AM

im really terrified. i think that there are definitely evil people whove given themselves over wholey to greed in our government.

im also horribly afraid that this statement will be recorded and filed away in a little room by people who one day will look for someone to eliminate as a threat to security.

its been this way for a long time. those in power have a pretty firm grip on it. sometimes it feels like the whole system is a sham designed to make you think you have a choice, that you are secure and free.

i just want to believe we are in the right, that we are a good people. that there are no evil men and women in our leadership. but i cant. i want to feel as if there were something that could be done, but there probably isnt.

the rich get richer and the poor get deader. thats the way of things. we see it and do nothing. whats more evil? being a part of the meat grinding machine or standing by and doing nothing?

almost forty years ago our parents and grandparents sang about revolution, but they sold out in favor of new cars and khakis.

im voting for nader. if my vote counts for anything anymore. if anyones does. if hes not just a part of the scam too.

cynical ray

“With the first link the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, changes us all irrevokably. The first time any man’s freedom is trodden on, we are all damaged."

MRSMACK

Friday, August 6, 2004 1:27 PM

I'm not really pro Bush at all, but I have a problem with you calling him a dumbass. I don't know every single particular of the job, but I do realize that it is the toughest job in the world. Look how they age, all presidents and not just Bush.

If you think that sending young men and women to war to die is easy for them, and comes without consequence, then you obviously have not looked at him. The creases in his face, the worry lines, it's definatly not a job that I want.

I figure that America is running about par for the course. Our richest few run the country while most of us just putter along in oblivian. Not that it is a bad thing as that's the way it always has been. The signers of the Declaration of Independence were all wealthy land owners and our richest president in real dollars was George Washington, the father of our country.

I thought Bush did well through the whole 9/11 ordeal and when you look at it, no president since F.D.R. has had a bad a deal as that. I personally don't believe that there was any way to predict or stop it from happening. It has always been the way that a few determined people are able with sacrifice to do things like that.

I don't know the entire story behind Iraq, but I've put a great deal of thought, and research behind figuring it out. But, we are there, and we have paid a great price to get there, and now we have to deal with the problems we created and hope for the best, as we have always done.

Iraq is free, at least for the time being, and as such is better off if only for today. But hell, that's all we are promised and most of the time not even that. Of both candidates, I tend to believe that Bush will do better than Kerry, and as such, will probably vote for him. That isn't saying that I want Bush so much, because if there was a viable choice then I might just jump to it. Don't even bring up Nader because that is a joke in and of itself.

It's been said to never judge a man till you walk a mile in his shoes. You're entitled to your opinion of course, but there is no reason to be personally insulting and derogatory, especially about a man whom you should respect, for his office if not for himself.

WADDLEDOODLE

Friday, August 6, 2004 1:54 PM

Nader may have been an advocate one time, but what's his salary now? Does he wear the same old suit jackets? Does he shop at Sears? Where do you think he gets his lunch every day....brownbag from home?

I don't blame the Hippies of yore waking up and realizing a different road. It's not a "cop out." Is it possible the values they held forty years ago weren't really all they were cracked up to be and they figured that out?

KNIBBLET

Friday, August 6, 2004 2:07 PM

Sitting several rows behind her and to the side does NOT justify saying "Kerry with Fonda".

They were celebs at an event, someone ushered them to the little photo op area.

I have issues with Fonda's idiotic stunt of sitting in an anti-aircraft gun; however, I have no issue with people who protest war.

And don't pull up any of those old urban legends about her turning over letters to NV officials. Never happened and the man who has been cited as the source has said it never happened.

"Just keep walkin, preacher man."

WADDLEDOODLE

Friday, August 6, 2004 3:16 PM

MRSMACK has done something rare, something I try to do in day to day encounters with BUSH haters.

It's called "discussion"

It's easy to scream "BUSH SUCKS!" But I have yet to meet someone does so who can explain why. And before you jump on me, I mean REAL reasonable discussion about why he's terrible. Not the bogus Michael Moore reasons. Disagreeing with policy and articulating why is one thing, but hating for no reason is, well, hypocritical of those who consider themselves peace activists. I'm not saying the President is perfect, but he's ours...during a time of war....who according to dozens of very prominent newspapers working several months in Florida (as well as the electorate and the Supreme Court) is THE winner of the 2000 election. Of course, if Al Gore's own home state constituants would have voted for him, then their would have been no need for a recount, he would have one. Frankly, with the following speeches, I don't think Gore would have been the right man for the job, and John Kerry's statements of yesterday "...I will fight a more sensative, more thoughtful war on terror.." By that statement alone I'm certain he's the wrong man for the job. While sitting on the Intelligence committee Kerry Missed 38 of 49 public hearings over 8 years. He's simply an insider. After the 1993 World Trade Center bombing Senator Kerry introduced a number of measures that were to reduce funding for the intelligence community by $7.5 billion. The largest mark against him is that he's not the man that the Democrates really wanted, he was the second choice. The fact that 95% of the deligates at the Democrate Convention were against the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. That flys in the face of Kerry's yet to be revealed War Plan. He says he would stay the course. But he would get the French and Germans involved, which doesn't seem credible since it's not in their interests (The bureucrats in the EU) for the US to succeed. Furthermore, why didn't Kerry mention his 18 years in the senate during his speech??? Is it because there is nothing to mention?

Kerry has a jelly spine that is molded by whomever he's trying to woo for votes.

Atleast I know that George Bush goes to bed late every night thinking about killing terrorists, not making amends with the French (who according to the Oil For Food investigation combined with millions of pages captured in Iraq) who with the United Nations officals and the Russians, in that order, were profiteering and giving cold hard cash to a dictator who lops hands and heads off, straped explosives and blew up, shot, tossed from rooftops or simply beat or raped to death hundreds of thousands of human beings and then dumped them into mass graves.

As far as the cost to our military in blood...you ask the soldiers, sailors and airmen deployed, they'll tell you a different story. Otherwise, how is it that reenlistment and recruitment is up? Not because of poverty, but because of a desire to serve. It's always sad to lose troops in combat...but the fact is, it's better that they face the fire, armed with the best weapons (that Kerry voted against, and the 87 billion he voted FOR and then AGAINST) rather than some innocent civilian on our shores. The 9/11 commission, in it's text, supports the Iraq/Al Qieda connection long before the war, it also totally discredits the Wilson mission to Niger and the claims he made that no yellow cake uranium was being sought by Iraq.

You can hate George Bush all you want, but be prepared to discuss the specifics.

BUZZARD

Friday, August 6, 2004 3:18 PM

I'm here just to urge everyone to vote and to not loose hope.

If you want Bush to keep his job, vote for him.

If you want to throw the bum out, vote to help remove him.

If you like another candidate better, vote for that person.

The important thing is that you vote. Citizens on all sides of an issue can, and should, fight for the solutions they want. It's a free country, as they say.

A couple of days ago I read Federalist Paper #10 and it cheered me up a lot. I think everybody should read it if they haven't already. (I haven't read any of the others, so if anyone has another they could recommend, I'd like to know what it is.)

You can find it at: http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/federal/fed10.htm

Oh, and by the way, throw the bum out.

RAY53208

Friday, August 6, 2004 3:56 PM

mrs smack, i respect you and your right to your opinions. i simply feel a bit hopeless about the whole situation. maybe tomorrow will bring a brighter day, but i dont believe so. it will probably be a very long time before everything is all right again; and not without lots of struggle.

if youre okay with the way things are then i have no response. just dont know what to say... if theres a god may he keep you and bless you.

i just know that in my heart i cannot condone whats going on. i just cant. i cant stand idly by and go "oh its been this way forever." i cant watch what i perceive to be injustice and evil take place and do nothing.

waddle, i dont blame the hippies. i feel bad for them. it seems to me that the core ideals of what they stood for are good things and ring true: freedom, accountability for our leaders, love, peace. maybe im speaking out of ignorance, not being old enough to have been there. maybe i was making generalizations about a generation of people. but i cant say as i really like what we as a generation are about nowadays. were about nothing. we respect greed, and fleeting fame, and spectacle. maybe its not new, maybe its been this way since the circuses of ancient rome. but i really am not content with bread and circuses anymore.

ray

“With the first link the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, changes us all irrevokably. The first time any man’s freedom is trodden on, we are all damaged."

SIGNYM

Friday, August 6, 2004 5:08 PM

OK, I know you're trying to pack in every argument into one sentence that you can think of, but you made a number of assumptions and mis-statments:

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Not the bogus Michael Moore reasons. Disagreeing with policy and articulating why is one thing, but hating for no reason is, well, hypocritical of those who consider themselves peace activists. I'm not saying the President is perfect, but he's ours...during a time of war....who according to dozens of very prominent newspapers working several months in Florida (as well as the electorate and the Supreme Court) is THE winner of the 2000 election.

"Bogus?" I disagree with your assessment. During the second attack on the WTC, Bush just plain froze. You could see the indecision on his face: If I bolt out of the room will I scare the little kids? It is more "Presidential" to act as if nothing is wrong? Or should I get up and start giving orders? What orders? What about the cameras? WHAT DO I DO ??? It wasn't until the Secret Service came in the hustle him away that the spell was broken.

"hating for no reason": I think everyone who "hates" Bush has at least ONE reason and I have six that I can think of right off the bat that make him a dangerous and untrustworthy President. Just because they aren't YOUR reasons doesn't mean it's baseless. But I actually don't hate Bush.

"Hating for no reason is hypocritical of those who consider themselves peace activtists":

First-you ASSUME there is no reason, second-you equate "peace activtists" with "pacifists". I'm a peace activtist not a pacifist- I disagree with THIS war, not ALL wars.

"He's ours... during time of war..."
A war that he started, based on a lie. NOT a good reason to follow this leader!

"... is THE winner of the 2000 election."
The six (not dozens) newspapers who funded their own recount made a point of NOT declaring a "winner". I actually read the report, went to the statistical tables and evaluated how the votes would have tallied under various recount criteria. (They considered optically-scanned and electronic votes as well as hanging chads.) Out of 24 recount scenarios, Gore would have been the winner in 13... the critical factor was actually electronic ballots.

"the electorate" is the body of enfranchised voters, in other words, the popular vote. According to popular vote, GORE was the winner. Perhaps you mean "electoral college".

"At least I know that George Bush goes to bed late every night thinking about killing terrorists"
You KNOW that? How?

"...rather than some innocent civilian on our shores. The 9/11 commission, in it's text, supports the Iraq/Al Qieda connection long before the war, it also totally discredits the Wilson mission to Niger and the claims he made that no yellow cake uranium was being sought by Iraq."
It does not support any collaberative relationship between Iraq and al Qaida, just a few 'contacts".

I have not read the entire report, would you please quote here what it says about yellow cake and Wilson? As I recall Wilson't report, what HE said was that there were too many people (especially foreigners) in Niger..I think it was voer 2000 in all.. with control over the production, shipping and sales to make "secret" deals impossible. Since you are apparnetly prepared to be specific, please be specific.

Oh, and BTW_ as far as the pics of Kerry against the war... that is a GREAT reason to vote for Kerry! That was a cruel, stupid, and utterly baseless military adventure, goaded on by Lyndon Johnson's lie (Gulf of Tonkin). It threw thousands of Americans and millions of Vietnamese into a meat grinder, the survivors of which may never fully recover. Every single Vietnam vet that I know who had combat experience was scarred by the war, most deeply shamed that they killed for nothing, many who buried their horror in alcohol or drugs. To refuse to follow the President into a horrible mistake is the most patriotic thing you can do.

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