HELP SAVE ENTERPRISE
POSTED BY: ZiggyKarlos
UPDATED: Sunday, August 8, 2004 05:45
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Exactly.
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Originally posted by Micronaut:
Let me clarify the "character issues" bit... character issues like "Jayne gets greedy and betrays Simon and River" or "Mal defends Inara's honor and ends up in a swordfight" or perhaps "Jayne finds he is the unlikely hero of a work town" or even "Inara convinces the crew to help an old friend, then has problems dealing with Mal's attraction to her...". Those issues Trek needs... not "Malcom tunes the phaser cannons" or "Trip screws up the engines" or "Archer goes nuts" type issues... those are plot device shows, not "character issue" shows... big difference.
Ohhhhh!
Ok, you meant character issues with people like Tim Minnear and Joss Whedon writing them... Ok, sure! I am all for THAT!
"Just remember... all success is illusion: what has really been accomplished is the displacement of an area of specific failure to somewhere else... or is it the other way around?"
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Well the original Star Trek was considered by Roddenberry to be a space western of sorts (wagon train to the stars) and Enterprise was meant to call back to that time. So it having the apperence at timee of a space western is not accidental.
But it appears based on the comments of others that they are basing their opinions on earlier episodes. the show, starting with the end of season two has taken on a much more arc style story, not to mention a darker one. it is alot less of a story of the week. and pretty much everything that has happened in the last year is serving the greater story. to stop the xindi from destroying earth and to find out the real reason why it happened in he first place.
I personally like the show (have since the begining) and hope it stays around. at the very least they get to completely what ever sstory arcs they have started.
in my view though Enterprise (and its writers) has with this lasted season taken the turn that too few shows do, into a story that lasts more then two episodes (or in this case an entire season). To me that shows lots of courage and i pray more shows follow suit.
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I'm with you ZiggyKarlos!
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Where is the petition in support of officially ending the Star Trek franchise?
Can we at least have a ten year break from it? I'll sign that petition!
mattro
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I have more or less given up on Star Trek. It just isn't compelling anymore because they haven't tried to change anything or explore any new angles. Enterprise is just TNG in a different time and Voyager was TNG in a different place. The stories are all the same, and I think it's dreadfully dull. Only DS9 provided a different perspective, and it's arguably the best series of the franchise. They need to change the formula and explore a different aspect of the universe other than the heroic Starfleet ship captain and his (or her) crew. Even the ideas for a Starfleet Academy series, as horrific they are ("Wesley Trek"), would be better.
One reason that I enjoy Firefly so much is that it's the polar opposite of Star Trek. The Alliance is like the Federation with the uniformed crews and powerful, sterilized ships - and they're the bad guys.
Until I hear about a Star Trek series with a radically different perspective and not just another ship in another place or time, I'm not interested.
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You sheep!
Enterprise may not be the best show but it is Sci Fi and as such ranks above just about everything else on TV.
Fight to keep all Sci Fi and flush the rest of the crap...(I can think of a million sitcoms and reality shows that i'd like to see go before Enterprise)
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Ideas for an original star trek series.....
How about one from the Klingon point of view, they could start it with the lead character hacking his former Captain in half in order to assume command and save the day.....
And hire NEW writers
" If I going to get killed for a word....
Then my word is Poon-Tang "
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I've always felt that the problem with Enterprise, Voyager and DS9 is that the writers come up with a potentially interesting concept for a series, but they never seem to follow through with the quality writing to make the concept work.
To me this is the big difference between the writers on Star Trek and Joss Whedon and his team of writers. Joss Whedon comes up with and interesting concept (Buffy, Angel & Firefly), and he and his team of writers make it work incredibly well.
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Originally posted by outlander:
I've always felt that the problem with Enterprise, Voyager and DS9 is that the writers come up with a potentially interesting concept for a series, but they never seem to follow through with the quality writing to make the concept work.
To me this is the big difference between the writers on Star Trek and Joss Whedon and his team of writers. Joss Whedon comes up with and interesting concept (Buffy, Angel & Firefly), and he and his team of writers make it work incredibly well.
Part of this, of course, is that all of Joss' shows operate with him at the head. He oversees damn-near everything. The same is not quite true with the various Treks. Whilst they did have the top guys (Berman & Braga specifically), I don't think they read every script, made notes, and re-wrote it where necessary like Joss seems to do on all his shows. In fact, the only exception I'm aware of in Trek is DS9 where Ira Steven Behr and Ron Moore essentially took over from Berman & co. That show featured a similar singular vision behind it that none of the other Treks have had since Roddenberry died.
For the record, though, I don't believe Enterprise is worth saving either. That a show that bad can carry on into its fourth season, whilst Firefly doesn't even finish ONE is a contradiction beyond my powers of comprehension.
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^^^ Dude, B&B are completely in charge... except for Paramount or UPN telling them to never "do politics" or some such sillyness.
Aside from that, the last season should be solid proof to anyone that these guys couldn't write a menu. 
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