Hearings on "Domestic Muslim Terrorism"
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Originally posted by canttakesky:Quote:Hey, good for you! You rock.
Originally posted by TheHappyTrader:
I'm suppressing the reactive instinct to call bullshit. Instead I'll ask for details, examples and the like.Quote:See my previous post.
Could you provide examples of 'Christian right' terrorist organizations or groups that 'incite' terror and how?
When the Christian Right supports violence, they call it "govt" violence not "terrorist" violence. Sometimes the violence is overtly religious, like supporting Israeli violence against Palestinian civilians simply because they are Jewish and are the chosen people of God.
When domestic terrorists like McVeigh or Rudolph or KKK kill people, people say they are not really a Christian, or they killed IN SPITE of being Christian.
When Muslim terrorists kill people, people refuse to accept that they are not really Muslim, or they say they killed BECAUSE of being Muslim.
There is a double standard, see?
I agree with you that religion should not be an issue. So neither Islam or Judaism or Christianity should be brought into it.
But if one is going to bring one as a focal point, I don't mind throwing out examples of violence in other religions, just to show how offensive and uncomfortable it is when it is YOUR religion.
Exactly. And as these right-wing assholes keep telling us, if you don't denounce this shit, you support it.
If you voted for Bush or supported him, you support right-wing Christian terrorism the world over. The blood of hundreds of thousands is on your hands. It is, after all, "a crusade", as your beloved leader said.
"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill
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When you quote JSM you should point out he was not talking about Bush's conservatives...unless you don't know.
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I see your point. However, one is as bad as the other. religion-wise
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Originally posted by Kwicko:Quote:
Originally posted by canttakesky:Quote:Hey, good for you! You rock.
Originally posted by TheHappyTrader:
I'm suppressing the reactive instinct to call bullshit. Instead I'll ask for details, examples and the like.Quote:See my previous post.
Could you provide examples of 'Christian right' terrorist organizations or groups that 'incite' terror and how?
When the Christian Right supports violence, they call it "govt" violence not "terrorist" violence. Sometimes the violence is overtly religious, like supporting Israeli violence against Palestinian civilians simply because they are Jewish and are the chosen people of God.
When domestic terrorists like McVeigh or Rudolph or KKK kill people, people say they are not really a Christian, or they killed IN SPITE of being Christian.
When Muslim terrorists kill people, people refuse to accept that they are not really Muslim, or they say they killed BECAUSE of being Muslim.
There is a double standard, see?
I agree with you that religion should not be an issue. So neither Islam or Judaism or Christianity should be brought into it.
But if one is going to bring one as a focal point, I don't mind throwing out examples of violence in other religions, just to show how offensive and uncomfortable it is when it is YOUR religion.
Exactly. And as these right-wing assholes keep telling us, if you don't denounce this shit, you support it.
If you voted for Bush or supported him, you support right-wing Christian terrorism the world over. The blood of hundreds of thousands is on your hands. It is, after all, "a crusade", as your beloved leader said.
"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill
I don't know man, most people killing people that are in the armed forces are doing a job and not yelling "JESUS". I think.
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Originally posted by TheHappyTrader:
CTS, thanks for examples, but you claim they are funded and supported by the 'Christian Right' and carried out by our military, or blackwater and the like I suppose. This is kind of apples and oranges.
The flaw with your logic, Happy, lies in Afghanistan. The Taliban did not attack us on 9/11, yet we are still at war with them. All they did was fund and support terrorist attacks. As does everyone who puts a "Support Our Troops" sticker on their car. They are funding and supporting terrorists wearing U.S. military uniforms.
"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill
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I don't know man, most people killing people that are in the armed forces are doing a job and not yelling "JESUS". I think.
The bible verses referenced on their gunsights and scopes say otherwise...
"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill
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Originally posted by USBrowncoat:
I don't know man, most people killing people that are in the armed forces are doing a job and not yelling "JESUS". I think.
The bible verses referenced on their gunsights and scopes say otherwise...
"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill
Fair. But, I think you missed my point. You like JSM
In the essay on “The Utility of Religion” Mill argues that much of the apparent social utility of religion derives not from its dogma and theology but to its inculcation of a widely accepted moral code, and to the force of public opinion guided by that code. The belief in a supernatural power may have had some utility in maintaining that code, but is no longer needed and may indeed be detrimental.
Both are bad. You cannot say Muslims are a religion nice moral men, but a non-secular country is bad because they have christians in their army. They also have muslims. Agree?
I believe he was right. God is not needed.
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Originally posted by USBrowncoat:
Fair. But, I think you missed my point. You like JSM
In the essay on “The Utility of Religion” Mill argues that much of the apparent social utility of religion derives not from its dogma and theology but to its inculcation of a widely accepted moral code, and to the force of public opinion guided by that code. The belief in a supernatural power may have had some utility in maintaining that code, but is no longer needed and may indeed be detrimental.
Oh, I don't have any particular love for John Stuart Mill; I just found the quote quite appropriate to modern times.
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Both are bad. You cannot say Muslims are a religion nice moral men, but a non-secular country is bad because they have christians in their army. They also have muslims. Agree?
Point of clarification: I've *never* said Muslims are all nice and moral. I loathe all organized religions, and find them all equally useless and potentially dangerous. And last time I checked, calling America a "non-secular" country will bring about a great wailing and gnashing of teeth from the right, who INSIST that this is a CHRISTIAN country. Be that as it may, I know we've never had a Muslim Commander-in-Chief, nor any who claimed to be other than Christian.
Hey, they want to self-identify this as a Christian nation, I'll play along, and point out that the actions undertaken by this nation haven't been very Christian, for a long, long, long, long time. Probably since before its founding.
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I believe he was right. God is not needed.
Gods are nothing more or less than crutches to prop up weak minds.
"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservatives." - John Stuart Mill
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Quote:All terrorism is political and economic and NOT religious.
Originally posted by TheHappyTrader:
Still I think your examples are political and economic in essence, not religious. 'Course, I suspect AL Qeada is only religious when it suits their agenda anyway.
Anyone who buys ideological terrorism is, imho, naive.
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I agree with 90% of your post. I would be careful to not lump the "right" together. There is a huge difference from a libertarian and a neo-con. Both can be called "the right". Infact anyone "right of you can be called "the right" by you and means nothing. War sucks. War is a drain on the economy. War kills.
I just tried to explain why I am behind fighting extremists that attack my country(America) in a different thread. It is not that I think my country is perfect, but it is where I live. I believe I live in the best country in the world(at least my town and state). As I told the other poster. My country has warts. But I'd fight and rout for it because my wart could be your gem. and visa-versa. and the one thing we have is diversity. in all aspects of culture.
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