Hearings on "Domestic Muslim Terrorism"
POSTED BY: Niki2
UPDATED: Monday, March 21, 2011 20:42
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Ahhh, what a shame. As I predicted, Kane hasn't left as he said. You lose, Kane: This is about "Domestic Muslim Terrorism". Nobody is talking about what's happening in the rest of the world, and Story is right; a lot of that is Muslim on Muslism, MORE of it is from other groups than Muslims, and it's not about DOMESTIC terrorism. Try again, you defeat your own point by posting irrelevant material about global terrorism when the discussion isn't ABOUT that.
Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off 
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I'd call it shoddy reporting of the facts...Quote:
... former counter terrorism agents from the FBI, CIA and U.S. military to conduct undercover reconnaissance at some 2,300 mosques and Islamic centers and schools across the United States. So far a little more than 100 mosques have been surveyed and around 75% of those are preaching anti-western hatred, insurrection and jihad through sermons by Saudi-trained imams and anti-Western literature, videos and textbooks.
So, out of a sample of some 2,300 mosques, a unofficial comment after just 100 surveyed says that " around 75% " are what... teaching pro Islamic ideas ? Or are they teaching that it's fine to blow up school buses and wedding receptions ?
Big difference there.
If you're going to post Pirate News as 'propaganda' too, then ya got me. Paint me guilty on missing this one.
There are many more cites available on this subject that I didn't list, and none come from PN. Additionally there is a new book out which makes the same claim, and Bill O'Reilly covered the 75% claim in his interview with Congressman Ellison last week. I'm not saying there isn't a worldwide radical Muslim problem. I am saying that I don't believe it's a problem in America, and do believe that King is grandstanding with the wrong play at the wrong time.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
No. Because they ARE Muslims, and to deny that would be folly.
On one hand, you say you realize this violence does not generalize to all Muslims. On the other hand, you insist on generalizing this violence to the ideology of all Muslims.
The fact that you and Kane are arguing openly in America to witchhunt the faith of 1.6 billion people saddens me immensely.
My only comfort is that so far, only you and Kane are arguing for it, and that there are others here against such propaganda.
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Nah, I did by number of events.
Sectarian or Muslim-on-Muslim violence is still terrorism, but it's not the kind of terrorism we're seeing domestically.
There's also a bunch of entries in there along the lines of "dumbass kills mother/ father/ sister / wife / children" which are probably not so much terrorism as they are dumbassery.
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Originally posted by Niki2:
Ahhh, what a shame. As I predicted, Kane hasn't left as he said. You lose, Kane: This is about "Domestic Muslim Terrorism". Nobody is talking about what's happening in the rest of the world, and Story is right; a lot of that is Muslim on Muslism, MORE of it is from other groups than Muslims, and it's not about DOMESTIC terrorism. Try again, you defeat your own point by posting irrelevant material about global terrorism when the discussion isn't ABOUT that.
Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off
What is your point? Catholics don't kill evengelical christians...and if they do that to one another...what chance does an old pot smoking hippie have?
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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Nah, I did by number of events.
Sectarian or Muslim-on-Muslim violence is still terrorism, but it's not the kind of terrorism we're seeing domestically.
There's also a bunch of entries in there along the lines of "dumbass kills mother/ father/ sister / wife / children" which are probably not so much terrorism as they are dumbassery.
Well, if that list doesn't move you any...give it time it is only 3 months old...
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Quote:I did. I thought Keith Ellison explained the misconceptions spouted by Bill Maher quite well.
Originally posted by kaneman:
Didn't watch the video AUrapt put up did you?
Incidentally, maybe the saying quoted by Ellison did originate with the Jews, but that doesn't mean the Quran didn't say it in black and white AS WELL:
http://emuslim.com/IslamAgainstVoilence.asp
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Al - Quran 5:32 "…if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people.”
Islam is not a violent religion, despite a few extremist psycho violent freaks who want to pervert it into one. Who would you rather believe about what the Quran really says? The few crazy nutjobs who blow people up? Or the 1.6 billion sane normal people who don't?
Quote:You can make a similar list with the label "Christian" or "Jew." A list doesn't prove the ideology turns people into terrorists, anymore than being born American turns you into a brown-people-bombing soldier.
He goes through all the trouble to make his case with examples ...
Terrorists come in ALL colors and religions. The root of terrorism is more complex than any single ideology. It involves desperation and hopelessness and economic and political powerlessness. It involves understanding history and the many tentacles of imperialism and meddling and victimizing and exploiting.
It is so much easier to just blame it on one ideology. Pity the easy way is not the accurate way. Pity the easy way would only make things worse.
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Originally posted by canttakesky:Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
No. Because they ARE Muslims, and to deny that would be folly.
On one hand, you say you realize this violence does not generalize to all Muslims. On the other hand, you insist on generalizing this violence to the ideology of all Muslims.
Yes to the first part, NO to the second.
Quote:The fact that you arguing openly for the killing of cute puppies and kittens saddens me too.
The fact that you and Kane are arguing openly in America to witchhunt the faith of 1.6 billion people saddens me immensely.
Oh, wait.. you never HAVE argued that point ? Really ? Huh. Wonder where I made up that silly idea. Kooky, huh?
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My only comfort is that so far, only you and Kane are arguing for it, and that there are others here against such propaganda.
So, the King hearings completely skipped your memory? Already ? Or what about what Bill Maher said ? There's a video, ya know. In this very thread. Just click and watch. It's easy... give it a try.
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King is grandstandingQuote:
What they said.
You can make a similar list with the label "Christian" or "Jew." A list doesn't prove the ideology turns people into terrorists, anymore than being born American turns you into a brown-people-bombing soldier.Quote:
MOST eloquent, CTS, and something those in favor of this witch-hunt seem to be incapable of grasping. Only I would say “Pity the easy way HAS only made and IS only making things worse”.
Terrorists come in ALL colors and religions. The root of terrorism is more complex than any single ideology. It involves desperation and hopelessness and economic and political powerlessness. It involves understanding history and the many tentacles of imperialism and meddling and victimizing and exploiting.
It is so much easier to just blame it on one ideology. Pity the easy way is not the accurate way. Pity the easy way would only make things worse.
Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani,
Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”,
signing off
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I believe the best way to fight terrorism is to fight poverty. The terrorist like poverty, cause it gives them recruits with nothing to live for, so they can give them a bomb and send them on their merry. If a person has rights and more to live for, the radical clerics have less pull.
Every notice how many fundies (generally speaking and of all religions) are poor and uneducated and follow their charismatic leader's every word? Sometimes this works out pretty well and is a positive influence on their lives, gives them hope and a sense of purpose. Sometimes it ain't so shiny and that sense of purpose is violent in nature.
Not that I have an excessive amount of practical experience in these matters, but I think decreasing poverty and increasing education is generally the best way to cure terrorism and most social problems that plague us.
EDIT: It's a little late for me to notice this, but my comment isn't quite as relevant to domestic terrorism.
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