Safe - Some things I noticed.

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UPDATED: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 16:57
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YT

Tuesday, August 3, 2004 8:41 AM

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Originally posted by JCobb:
everything posted here makes a certain level of sense.

Ya. Kinda expands the possibilities for the BDM, don't it? And NO, I don't wanna know which way Joss is going with it.

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ZEEK

Tuesday, August 3, 2004 4:59 PM

You guys think we would have seen the Tam parents again if the series had stayed on TV? I mean it sorta makes you wonder...if a little thing like walking into a jail or whatever is enough to "ruin" the Tam family reputation then surely having two fugitive children has had some negative effects. Maybe the parents are lower class citizens now. Maybe Blue Sun would use them as blackmail to draw Simon and River out of hiding. I think there was potential for many different stories involving them.

YT

Tuesday, August 3, 2004 10:00 PM

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Originally posted by Zeek:
You guys think we would have seen the Tam parents again if the series had stayed on TV? I mean it sorta makes you wonder...if a little thing like walking into a jail or whatever is enough to "ruin" the Tam family reputation then surely having two fugitive children has had some negative effects. Maybe the parents are lower class citizens now. Maybe Blue Sun would use them as blackmail to draw Simon and River out of hiding. I think there was potential for many different stories involving them.

Taking the parents and using them as bait for Simon & River sounds like the heavy handed Alliance we have come to know & love. However, I think it would be more interesting, and in keeping with what we saw of their father, if the Alliance dealt with Tam Sr (bribe/threat/good-of-River/good-of-the-Alliance) to obtain his active cooperation in catching his children.

Way cool suggestion.

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JEBBYPAL

Wednesday, August 4, 2004 2:42 AM

Radhil wrote:

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You can see this already in motion in the very first flashback, where River is quickly dismissed while

Hmmm...can't wait to rewatch Safe again to see if this is true or not, but I disagree on this one flashback (the others, yeah, i agree can be interpreted that way). See, I experienced this scene alot myself..I mean river is what, maybe 8 yrs old here? Granted, gifted beyond belief, but nevertheless still a child. If Simon has not been allowed to have something yet, his parents may recognize that he may become very annoyed/resentful if River is allowed to have the same things before he could---hence, no handheld for her. Additionally, depending on her classes etc she might very well not need it yet (though then again, yeah, she's helping simon w/ his work).
Anyway, I didn't see that flashback as a dismissal of River mostly because as a child of that age, i doubt her parents would be expecting her to pick her career of choice yet, hence i doubt they'd written her off yet. More, I think the flashback was to show the "scenarios" that river and simon would play with to give a basis for understanding the future flashback you talked about.

Just my two cents...but I am gonna watch that flashback more critically next time;)

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STATIC

Wednesday, August 4, 2004 3:59 AM

See. . .

I have a younger sister. She's only 2 years younger. . .but I still understand. This was not a 'dismissal' from an uncaring or unloving parent.

MY theory on the whole Tam thing. . .

The reason Mom and Dad behaved the way they did. . .I think Simon was threatened. I think they were trying to do as much as they could, in a slightly misguided way, to protect the one child they had left, once they realized TOO LATE that River was as good as gone.

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MER

Wednesday, August 4, 2004 5:07 PM

Everything about the whole crew family thing has been stated.

River could be a mistake. Maybe the Tams wanted another son or the mother didn't expect to get another child and had no choice of keeping her.

OR

Maybe they thought River had problems like Autism (sp?) so they felt there was no need to know what her future would hold. Simon said so himself in "Serenity" that the family thought she had it. Maybe the parents still believed that and weren't convinced that River was smart.

I just hope Joss elaborates why the parents ignore River. @___@

SIKKUKUT

Wednesday, August 4, 2004 5:14 PM

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Originally posted by MER:
Maybe they thought River had problems like Autism (sp?) so they felt there was no need to know what her future would hold. Simon said so himself in "Serenity" that the family thought she had it.

Hrmmmm? I don't know what line you're referring to. And I've seen "Serenity" ten times (okay, so I missed the control stick thing til I watched the commentary, but who didn't? I pay pretty close attention to the lines).

Very interesting theory, though. What's the line?

As for other speculations in this thread, I honestly think that the "sinister" explanation of the Tam family and the "normal" one are equally possible, with "normal" edging out the other only because of... well, its normality. And I consider it quite likely that we would have seen the Tams again, at least in flashbacks.

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MER

Thursday, August 5, 2004 4:41 PM

*After rechecking ep. "Serenity"*

Line referring to:

Simon:"River was more than gifted. She...
she was a gift. Everything she did,
music, math, theoretical physics --
even-even dance -- there was nothing
that didn't come as naturally to her
as breathing does to us. She could be a real... brat about it,
too. I mean, she used to --"

Gorram it! It never mentioned her being Autisic (sp?). Where in the hell did I get that theory from? O_o

=_= I was wrong. It could be part of some other theory that I got mixed up in mine or the way "gift" was said (hoping it's not a bad thing in the Tam Family). I'm not sure.

KNIBBLET

Thursday, August 5, 2004 4:57 PM

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CHRONICTHEHEDGEHOG

Thursday, August 5, 2004 5:42 PM

The shooting script is pretty clear on why the Tam's act the way they do.
People do come out of the school, they're weird as hell, but they come out alive.
They're terrified of what the government will do to them if they try and interfere.

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