Please stop scaring Nathan
POSTED BY: Zeek
UPDATED: Monday, March 7, 2011 18:12
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With all due respect to our captain, if Nathan was scared, too bad for him. Honestly, I think his various statements backing off from the idea of money have a lot more to do with CYA in case folk got duped into sendiong money than it did with him being "scared" (or even surprised).
And what both Fillion and some of you are failing to understand is that this isn't ABOUT Nathan. It's about FIREFLY. Yes, the theoretical push was to get money for Nathan himself, but that's only because he was the guy saying "Yep, if I had enough money, I'd make FIREFLY."
Ultimately, what was important (and positive) about what happened is that for a brief period, FIREFLY got some mainstream coverage. Between the return to basic cable, Fillion's comment, and the response, the show has gotten more attention (among non-Browncoats) in the past two weeks than it has over the previous 2 or 3 years.
And that's not nothin'.
Personally, I didn't for a SECOND think that Nathan was really serious about his comment (he actually made a very similar comment about filling the airwaves with commercials for CASTLE), nor did I think that even a group as passionate as the Browncoats would be able to collect 300 million dollars... But if the demonstration of passion was strong enough, if the right decision-maker realized that the audience is still out there and strong (and growing through the years rather than shrinking!), then maybe... Just maybe...
Ah, well. Or maybe not.
Anyone (Nathan included) who thinks a passionate show of support for the show is negative or surprising is forgetting that that very thing is what helped SERENITY get made.
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Quote:Brings me back to a question I had.
Originally posted by Gwek:
With all due respect to our captain, if Nathan was scared, too bad for him. Honestly, I think his various statements backing off from the idea of money have a lot more to do with CYA in case folk got duped into sending money than it did with him being "scared" (or even surprised).
And what both Fillion and some of you are failing to understand is that this isn't ABOUT Nathan. It's about FIREFLY. Yes, the theoretical push was to get money for Nathan himself, but that's only because he was the guy saying "Yep, if I had enough money, I'd make FIREFLY."
Zeek, are you a personal friend of Nathan's? Head of his fan club?
Does he have a fan club?
I don't get this overly exuberant protection of the man, otherwise. Nathan is a big boy and a professional. He's been to ComicCon - he knows his fandom WAY better than we do. There's a lot more to be scared of there than a few fans willing to throw money at a common cause.
You might want to consider that any launch of any campagin to "Stop Scaring Nathan" might bring you a heckuva lot more trouble than you seem to think the "Help Nathan Get His Money" did for the rest of us.
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Originally posted by GWEK:
With all due respect to our captain, if Nathan was scared, too bad for him. Honestly, I think his various statements backing off from the idea of money have a lot more to do with CYA in case folk got duped into sendiong money than it did with him being "scared" (or even surprised).
Let's say that's true (even though we don't really know). If Nathan decides the easiest way to cover his ass in the future is to just not say anything supportive of a return to Firefly then look where that gets us. We'll lose even his attempts to get Firefly into the mainstream media during interviews. Even if this is just about Firefly then it's probably still a good idea to keep Nathan as a spokesperson. If he switches to politically correct shut down mode and just answers "I haven't heard anything about any revival of Firefly/Serenity" whenever he's asked then those portions of interviews will be boring and forgettable.
I'm also not so sure how much the main stream attention did help us. We might get some new fans out of it, but we also showed that our support amounts to just a few tens of thousands of vocal fans who joined the campaign. That's pretty much exactly what the networks and studios are worried about. We can sound somewhat popular on the internet with those numbers but that won't be near enough to support a new movie or series. We're just a few million shy of that kind of support.
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Originally posted by Channain:
Brings me back to a question I had.
Zeek, are you a personal friend of Nathan's? Head of his fan club?
Does he have a fan club?
I don't get this overly exuberant protection of the man, otherwise. Nathan is a big boy and a professional. He's been to ComicCon - he knows his fandom WAY better than we do. There's a lot more to be scared of there than a few fans willing to throw money at a common cause.
You might want to consider that any launch of any campagin to "Stop Scaring Nathan" might bring you a heckuva lot more trouble than you seem to think the "Help Nathan Get His Money" did for the rest of us.
It's not to protect him. I'm sure he's not cowering in fear. It's that he might change his attitude towards Firefly in interviews if he constantly has to manage browncoats after everything he says. I'm more concerned we'll lose his enthusiasm and fun personality. Which I am a fan of.
I wouldn't launch a campaign to protect Nathan though. Like I said it would be about pledging not to join the campaign of the week. Basically stating our quiet support of the show and that no half assed campaign will get any of that support.
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Quote:Given he's been that way at least since Two Guys A Girl and a Pizza Place, I don't find that very likely. Besides, Browncoats have to be slightly more classy fans than whatever was following him around when he was on One Life to Live.
Originally posted by Zeek:
I'm more concerned we'll lose his enthusiasm and fun personality. Which I am a fan of.
ou still didn't answer the question - which I have asked twice, by the way; in the thread that I've abandoned, and here.
Are you a personal friend of his? Because really, unless you are, you're not really any better judge of what will or won't affect him than the rest of us.
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Money talks, bullshite walks.
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Originally posted by Channain:
You still didn't answer the question - which I have asked twice, by the way; in the thread that I've abandoned, and here.
Are you a personal friend of his? Because really, unless you are, you're not really any better judge of what will or won't affect him than the rest of us.
No. Of course not. I didn't even think that was a real question. Though I did guess pretty much spot on that Nathan would not support the campaign and that it would make him think twice about saying that stuff in the future. He didn't say exactly that but if he says that these types of thing scare him then I'm taking it one step further that he might be hesitant to say similar things in the future. I'll take my chances of being wrong on that prediction.
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Quote:Too bad you didn't guess that I usually ask a question for good reason. Anyway, immaterial.
Originally posted by Zeek:
I didn't even think that was a real question.
Quote:That you did - which is a good way to go. Make the assumption, but do the research to back it up and then create the argument - or in this case, wait for the truth to come out.
Originally posted by Zeek:
I did guess pretty much spot on that Nathan would not support the campaign and that it would make him think twice about saying that stuff in the future.
I don't think any harm was done, though. We didn't really do anything that the Trekkies haven't done well before us, and in a far crazier fashion.
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Originally posted by Channain:
I don't think any harm was done, though. We didn't really do anything that the Trekkies haven't done well before us, and in a far crazier fashion.
Yeah that's where we're going to have to agree to disagree. I think Nathan is now a little more gun shy and that we tipped our hand about how many fans are really out there. The results were underwhelming. A few tens of thousands is not going to turn any heads IMO.
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Quote:Or he'll just continue to teas by being vague, like he was on Letterman.
Originally posted by Zeek:
Yeah that's where we're going to have to agree to disagree. I think Nathan is now a little more gun shy and that we tipped our hand about how many fans are really out there. The results were underwhelming. A few tens of thousands is not going to turn any heads IMO.
"I was in a cancelled TV show that was very popular."
Then again, he could have been referring to Two Guys and a Girl, but he doesn't mention that as much or allude to it like he does Firefly. He also wasn't the main character like he was on Firefly.
I expect this will go the way it always has; things will settle down and he'll go back to his FF innuendo. Because we all do it. And it's fun.
The Fb page is just over 110K now, so it's in the hundreds of thousands range... kinda. Unfortunately, they're also resorting to digging up old news. Serenity in the BSG pilot.
Wait *blows air on it* lemme dust that off before you look at it.
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